Thierry Henry is a cheat!
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We need Viedo tech and Linesman behind the goal, FIFA/UEFA are jokes and they have collaborated to make sure every major team is in the World Cup with the the last minute of seeding the playoffs being the worst joke in the entire sport...never before were the rules of Q/F changed after it started and only because France, Portugal, Germany and Italy all faced ending up in the playoffs when they made the call.
That was just disgraceful, as if anyone needed another reason to hate the French (
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Henry should be banned for the World Cup now, at least. Really France should be thrown out and Ireland given their place but of course FIFA need their glamour teams.
It's just sickening really. Basically Henry (and Anelka with that dive shortly before the goal) admitted that they weren't good enough to win without breaking the rules.
The most disappointing thing is the attitude of the pundits after the game "this stuff happens, it's part of the game" blah blah blah, that's not the attitude to change anything is it? It's like they just accept it. What's the point of having rules if when they get broken nothing happens?
And of course nothing will happen because the referee's decision is final, and if he didn't see it then it didn't happen. Which is rubbish, to be honest I don't blame the officials last night. He made a great call with the Anelka dive and I think the linesman's view may have been obscured by Gallas.
But everyone knows it was a handball, and there will be a bit of a furore over the next few days but that's it. I'm seriously getting jaded with football.
). Henry should be banned for the World Cup now, at least. Really France should be thrown out and Ireland given their place but of course FIFA need their glamour teams.
It's just sickening really. Basically Henry (and Anelka with that dive shortly before the goal) admitted that they weren't good enough to win without breaking the rules.
The most disappointing thing is the attitude of the pundits after the game "this stuff happens, it's part of the game" blah blah blah, that's not the attitude to change anything is it? It's like they just accept it. What's the point of having rules if when they get broken nothing happens?
And of course nothing will happen because the referee's decision is final, and if he didn't see it then it didn't happen. Which is rubbish, to be honest I don't blame the officials last night. He made a great call with the Anelka dive and I think the linesman's view may have been obscured by Gallas.
But everyone knows it was a handball, and there will be a bit of a furore over the next few days but that's it. I'm seriously getting jaded with football.
Yeah, I felt sorry for Ireland too, they put up a good fight and didn't deserve going out like that.
Btw. You can say what you want, but any of the "small" teams would never have been awarded such a goal imo. It wasn't only Henry's hands, Gallas was also offside imo.
Slovenia was almost cheated out of going to the World Cup by the referee too against Russia.
Btw. You can say what you want, but any of the "small" teams would never have been awarded such a goal imo. It wasn't only Henry's hands, Gallas was also offside imo.
Slovenia was almost cheated out of going to the World Cup by the referee too against Russia.
Because the rule is that the referee's decision at the time is final - you can't champion the rules and then ignore that one. If they let this match be replayed, or overturned the result, it opens up a precedent for any match in the World Cup and afterwards having the losing team pouring over footage from the match trying to spot a rule breaking the ref missed. Where would you draw the line at what rule breaks are bad enough for a replay/forfeiture?
The match won't be replayed of course, that suggestion by the Irish secretary of whatever is absurd; and not only because Platini is president of the UEFA.
But these kinds of incidents do possibly point to a need of giving the referees more help, video replays, extra referees standing behind the goals, etc.
It just feels so strange when the tv-viewers instantly get shown 20 slow motion replays where we see with 100% certainty that the referee made the wrong call - why can't an additional referee watch the same footage on the sidelines and - if approriate - tell the head referee what he sees? It doesn't even have to slow down the game at all.
What's done is done though. Maybe Henry could get penalised, but that won't be much comfort to Ireland.
But these kinds of incidents do possibly point to a need of giving the referees more help, video replays, extra referees standing behind the goals, etc.
It just feels so strange when the tv-viewers instantly get shown 20 slow motion replays where we see with 100% certainty that the referee made the wrong call - why can't an additional referee watch the same footage on the sidelines and - if approriate - tell the head referee what he sees? It doesn't even have to slow down the game at all.
What's done is done though. Maybe Henry could get penalised, but that won't be much comfort to Ireland.
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What does the french press say about Henry's hands? Are they appropriately ashamed or more like "fuck it, we're going to South Africa and that's all that counts"?
What does the french press say about Henry's hands? Are they appropriately ashamed or more like "fuck it, we're going to South Africa and that's all that counts"?
Acts that are blatantly cheating, like this one. I understand it is a very difficult position because with some decisions it's unclear, even with video technology. But it can't go on like this.
And there have been cases when after a match red cards have been rescinded, or downgraded to a yellow after the FA consults with the referee. And don't get me wrong I'm not blaming the referee with this, I just think they need more help.
I think clearly there needs to be officials behind the goals, and we need some use of video replays. Because obviously the players cannot be trusted to play the game honestly.
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I don't know if you're aware of this, but in this year's Europa League extra referees behind the goals are being tested. I have no idea about the results though, as far as I can tell they are mostly worthless.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but in this year's Europa League extra referees behind the goals are being tested. I have no idea about the results though, as far as I can tell they are mostly worthless.
Too wide and varied a definition. What counts as 'blatantly cheating'? Would a handball in, say, midfield, result in a match replay/forfeiture? What if Henry had handballed it as he did, but they didn't score? What about fouls in defence, where the opposing team might have scored if x didn't happen?
Playing that game only ends up burying the sport in 'what ifs'.
Well then the rules must change, if you want to incorporate modern video technology into the sport's judging. It can be done (Tennis introducing Hawkeye challenges is an example that springs to mind) but it means changing the game, not just using TV coverage after the fact to change a match that's over. The rules, including those involving videos, computer ball trackers, etc need to be in place in advance and agreed on. The rules of the game as played say the Ref's decision on matters like goals allowed or disallowed are final.
That's a little different, because that has repercussions for the player after the match is concluded in future matches - a red card usually results in a ban which could have future consequences for player and team. A decision like 'was a goal legal' only affects the one game outcome and shouldn't be changed after the fact, under current rules. If you want the ability to change it in retrospect, the rules of the game need to be rewritten.
Goes perfectly well with this one :
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I wonder if this hand will end in a stupid song
Goes perfectly well with this one :
http://www.jeux-flash-gratuits.biz/zidane-vs-materazzi+j21365.html
ThePlumsofWrath
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Henry is not a player I've ever associated with cheating, it'a shame another great French player has written his own legacy.
Like Zidane, Cantona......
Like Zidane, Cantona......
Meh. Sorry to piss in your cheerios, but that's something that happens. I can understand the Irish are furious and the French uncomfortable: in their clothes, I would be too.
You want to protest that FIFA is corrupt and full of shit? I'll be there with you. You want to use more technology to better referee the game while play? You'll have me. But you can't go and change the results ex post facto due to a referee error. No game would ever be final, since the referee are always making mistakes. And as cultcross said, "blatant cheating" is too vague to be an operative definition.
You want to protest that FIFA is corrupt and full of shit? I'll be there with you. You want to use more technology to better referee the game while play? You'll have me. But you can't go and change the results ex post facto due to a referee error. No game would ever be final, since the referee are always making mistakes. And as cultcross said, "blatant cheating" is too vague to be an operative definition.
I wonder if this hand will end in a stupid song
Yes.
Yes it has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skq3EibwrlQ
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