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They killed Hengist!

Warped9

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I love TOS. But once in awhile something makes you think. On Youtube I came across a clip from “Wolf In The Fold” where Hengist, while possessed by the Jack the Ripper entity, is tranquillized then beamed out into space.

Yes. they killed the entity, but what of Hengist? We can assume the entity controlled him from the beginning, but was Hengist even aware that he’d been possessed? At some point prior to the entity possessing him Hengist must have been himself and his own person. But here Hengist was killed and he never had any say in the matter.

Given the entity can transfer from one person to another it could kill with impunity given the similar crimes could be perpetuated by different people the entity chooses to possess at any given time. In Scotty’s case the entity could have been “on the prowl” so to speak and came across the convenient setting of Scotty escorting the dancer home, wherein he possessed Scotty in order to kill the girl. The entity then took flight leaving Scotty completely disoriented with a bloody knife in his hand.

Scotty’s assertions of not remembering what happened support the idea the entity completely overwhelms whomever it possesses wherein they’re not even aware of whats happening and what they’re physically doing. So Hengist, like Scotty, could have committed murders and not even have been aware of it.

So we’re expected to exonerate and forgive Scotty for something he could not prevent, but Hengist gets de-materialized without any chance to exonerate himself.

Of course, there is the question of whether Hengist was ever a willing participant. Maybe the entity chose him because it sensed something like minded in Hengist. Who knows.

It’s not my intention to trash the episode. TOS is by far my favourite television series. But, as I said, sometimes you see something that makes you think.
 
I have this vague recollection that when Redjac left Hengist, the latter was completely devoid of life signs. That would suggest that he was long-since dead.

Yes, that's right. Kirk punched Hengist, he dropped, McCoy said "He's dead, Jim," and Redjac possessed the ship. Then at the climax, Redjac possessed Hengist again and he came back to life. Implicitly, Hengist had been a Redjac-puppeteered zombie all along. So they didn't kill him, because Redjac already had.
 
How’d he keep a dead Hengist from decomposing over all that time?
How'd he (it?) possess the ship?

My guess is that Redjac kept Hengist's body from decomposing by the simple expedient of keeping it functioning. When it left Hengist, the body dropped dead from total lack of software.

I'll note that Hengist was not the only role in which John Fiedler played the "big bad hiding in plain sight." His two appearances on Get Smart (Mr. Hercules, in "Classification: Dead," and Felix (who literally could "paint a man to death") in "Age Before Duty."
 
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Thats right. But then we don’t know if Hengist was “dead” all along.

Whoa, thats some creepy shit! How’d he keep a dead Hengist from decomposing over all that time?
The easy way. Make sure all of his life processes continue so his body is maintained. Hengist is dead because Redjac is pretending be Hengist to fool people into thinking he isn't. The easiest way to do that is to BE Hengist when he(Redjac) isn't terrorizing and killing women.
 
Thats right. But then we don’t know if Hengist was “dead” all along.

We don't know, but it stands to reason. Network censors in the 1960s would have objected to the show's heroes killing an innocent, helpless man in cold blood to eliminate the entity possessing him. Having Hengist already be dead was probably the only way they could get the censors to sign off on it. It's hardly the only story where I've seen that trope used -- freeing the heroes to kill supernatural or cyborg or otherwise transformed-human bad guys or henchmen by establishing that they were already dead or as good as dead.
 
Redjac threw off his groove.

 
I have this vague recollection that when Redjac left Hengist, the latter was completely devoid of life signs. That would suggest that he was long-since dead.

Not a vague recollection. That's exactly what happened. Hengist had been dead for, most likely, years. Redjac evidently had the ability to possess/control both living and dead organisms. But thanks for talking about my second-favorite episode.
 
Redjac could possess/control individuals over the centuries. Based on what was presented in the episode Jack the Ripper could have have been one or more than one individual because it could jump from one individual to another. And none of those it possessed could have had any recollection of what had happened.
 
Redjac threw off his groove.

♫♫ And he's back, back in the Redjac groove ♫♫ (RIP Space Ace, the only one with talent)

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Redjac could possess/control individuals over the centuries. Based on what was presented in the episode Jack the Ripper could have have been one or more than one individual because it could jump from one individual to another. And none of those it possessed could have had any recollection of what had happened.

That's certainly a valid inference from what was shown. Though it raises the question of why Hengist was dead when the others weren't. Was it because he was possessed longer than most? Was he already dead when Redjac first possessed him? Perhaps one of Redjac-Hengist's victims managed to shoot him with a phaser on kill (explaining the lack of physical damage), but Redjac kept him animated.

Given how cursorily Hengist's death was established in the episode, I wonder if it was a late script revision in response to a note from Broadcast Standards and Practices. "Please establish that Hengist is already dead before being dispersed by the transporter."
 
One dark scenario is that Hengist figured out something of what was happening and perhaps tried to take his own life. He might not have fully realized he was being possessed by an alien entity, but rather believed he was committing crimes without remembering as if he were of two personalities, one of them being a homicidal maniac. The poor bastard had no idea.

So the entity goes on one of its prowls and comes back to find Hengist dead from a self-inflicted overdose or poisoning or something. But doesn’t matter because it can animate a dead body, or freshly dead anyway.

Or as Christopher suggested maybe prolonged possession by this thing inevitably results in death.

Man, this thing really is ghoulish the more you think about it.
 
One dark scenario is that Hengist figured out something of what was happening and perhaps tried to take his own life. He might not have fully realized he was being possessed by an alien entity, but rather believed he was committing crimes without remembering as if he were of two personalities, one of them being a homicidal maniac. The poor bastard had no idea.

So the entity goes on one of its prowls and comes back to find Hengist dead from a self-inflicted overdose or poisoning or something. But doesn’t matter because it can animate a dead body, or freshly dead anyway.

Oh, that's quite plausible. It's not unlike how Scotty reacted, doubting himself and fearing the worst.
 
How'd he (it?) possess the ship?

My guess is that Redjac kept Hengist's body from decomposing by the simple expedient of keeping it functioning. When it left Hengist, the body dropped dead from total lack of software.

Ah, but how to prevent decomposing while the body was laying there - a few minutes only starts the process prevailing, does Redjac reinfuse and nourish the corpsal pus puppet there? (Oh cool! That's also a possible name for a punk rock band, but I digress.)

I'll note that Hengist was not the only role in which John Fiedler played the "big bad hiding in plain sight." His two appearances on Get Smart (Mr. Hercules, in "Classification: Dead," and Felix (who literally could "paint a man to death") in "Age Before Duty."

But fantastic performances nonetheless, as those coincidentally are two of my favorite "Get Smart" episodes. The influence of "The Picture of Dorian Gray" as a springboard was pretty innovative for "Age Before Duty" as well. Wish CBS didn't axe it after one season, having just bought it from NBC. The clunker episodes were bad, true, but plenty were watchable and had revitalized the series. What audiences in 1970 had thought did matter most, of course...
 
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