These are the voyages....

[los2188]

I just watched Star Trek Enterprise from beginning to the end for really the first time. First of all, it's a shame that this show didn't have more time, but be that as it may...the last episode. So are we supposed to believe that the whole entire Enterprise run was just a holosuite simulation or did all of these events really take place, or was it just the very last episode that wasn't real? I know that this question has been posed more than once, but I was really disgusted almost, by the last episode. It's almost like it cheapened the whole thing. Any comments?

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

It all happened. Riker's just looking toward a particular event, set several years after the rest of the series, for inspiration. Certain elements of TATV didn't occur, unless the ship's chef was actually asking the crew those questions. The rest, it's safe to say, did occur -- unless you hate the episode as much as some do, in which case it's easy to say it didn't.

 

[Captain Rob]

Didn't happen. It was all holodeck fiction very loosely based on some historical events 200 years in the past.

 

[R. Star]

It did cheapen the whole series. I didn't even care for it too much compared to the others, and I thought that was an insult to the whole series.

The concept of Riker and Troi running a holodeck simulation based on an Enterprise mission possibly would make an interesting episode. But don't do it on the finale.

The finale should have been a celebration of Enterprise, it's message and a fitting conclusion to the story arc. Instead it was just turned into a cheap crossover.

Season 4 of Enterprise really was great with the exception of the pilot and finale. Which is the bigger facepalm the alien nazi's or the crossover, I dunno.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

PIECE OF UTTER CRAP.

 

[I am Surak]

Those Space Nazis lost and all was good. In TATV the bad guys won and survived.

 

[F. King Daniel]

So are we supposed to believe that the whole entire Enterprise run was just a holosuite simulation or did all of these events really take place, or was it just the very last episode that wasn't real? I know that this question has been posed more than once, but I was really disgusted almost, by the last episode. It's almost like it cheapened the whole thing. Any comments?

Troi says she visited Archer's Enterprise in the Starfleet museum when she was in grammar school, so it had to be "real," so to speak. Although that was my first impression upon seeing it too - that it was Star Trek's answer to Bobby in the shower from Dallas, and that the entire show was no more "real" than Tom Paris' Captain Proton from Voyager.

I wouldn't be suprised if it was done like that deliberately, to give haters of the show (who were extremely vocal online during the show's run) a convienient "out"

 

[Sindatur]

I just watched Star Trek Enterprise from beginning to the end for really the first time. First of all, it's a shame that this show didn't have more time, but be that as it may...the last episode. So are we supposed to believe that the whole entire Enterprise run was just a holosuite simulation or did all of these events really take place, or was it just the very last episode that wasn't real? I know that this question has been posed more than once, but I was really disgusted almost, by the last episode. It's almost like it cheapened the whole thing. Any comments?

What....??? You didn't enjoy the "Valentine to the Fans"??

Heh, that's OK, it's a rare BBS poster that has anything less than extreme negativity to say about the episode, and the Producers actually had the gall to say it was a Valentine to the Fans.

The bigger mystery, is it was voted a Fan Favorite on the Fan Favorites/Captain's choice Box set. Many suspect that came from TNG Fans, not fans of Enterprise

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

That's always stunned me as well. I can't think of very many instances in which uber-TNG, anti-ENT folks would be thrilled with TATV, though, even with the Riker/Troi appearances. They're not especially great appearances.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

They are completely tedious. Just what I needed in Enterprise's finale to be reminded of Troi's vapid prompting, oh sorry "counseling" and Riker's smug face. Yeah I was sitting there through all of Season 4 (the best season Trek has to offer) thinking.. "you know what this excellent sci fi drama needs, it needs some TNG pablum to make it go down better." Yeah.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It castrated Pegasus as well.

Pegasus "i know right form wrong because I'm decent!"

TATV: "I know right from wrong now because of what 17 hours of intensive therapy just taught me, because I could't figure it out beforehand since I usually spend all my moral conviction devising new ways to comb my bead."

This should have come to light during the drumhead, when that admiral was brow beating Picard, why the hell did Tom Riker keep mum about horrible secret as well?

 

[lurok]

^teacake and Guy...

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

^teacake and Guy...

This is very nice Lurok BUT I would prefer it if he was killed. Obviously Shran's the man for the job. He can manipulate Daniels into placing him in just the right point in time.

Then all of TNG can have Shelby as the first officer, or Data if we must appease the masses. Instant improvement.

 

[jespah]

You got my vote.

 

[BillJ]

^teacake and Guy...

This is very nice Lurok BUT I would prefer it if he was killed. Obviously Shran's the man for the job. He can manipulate Daniels into placing him in just the right point in time.

Then all of TNG can have Shelby as the first officer, or Data if we must appease the masses. Instant improvement.

Ouch! And I thought I was tough on the Riker character.

 

[R. Star]

Not to mention TATV showed that time hasn't been kind to Frakes.

 

[gblews]

So are we supposed to believe that the whole entire Enterprise run was just a holosuite simulation or did all of these events really take place, or was it just the very last episode that wasn't real? I know that this question has been posed more than once, but I was really disgusted almost, by the last episode. It's almost like it cheapened the whole thing. Any comments?

Troi says she visited Archer's Enterprise in the Starfleet museum when she was in grammar school, so it had to be "real," so to speak. Although that was my first impression upon seeing it too - that it was Star Trek's answer to Bobby in the shower from Dallas, and that the entire show was no more "real" than Tom Paris' Captain Proton from Voyager.

I can completely understand anyone's dificulty concentrating on this episode, but at no point do they make it ambiguous, vague, or unclear in any way that Riker is viewing actual Starfleet history. At some point he tells Troi that is what he is doing.

I can't understand how anyone could have thought TaTV was being presented as a way of telling us that Ent's 4 seasons had been a Holodeck program.

 

[los2188]

Not to mention TATV showed that time hasn't been kind to Frakes.

Time hasn't been kind to Marina Sirtis as well. I hate to say this, but I found their appearances in the old TNG uniforms on the old Enterprise D to be laughable. I mean time hunts us all, but considering that the episode The Pegasus was shot almost 20 years ago, it looked so....un-20 years ago for lack of a better term. But hey, it's all good. I still want another TNG movie, no matter how much older they all look.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I mean time hunts us all,

No it burns us all.

I still want another TNG movie, no matter how much older they all look.

I've got no problem with the fat old TOS movies, they are awesome.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Burns?

Fucks.

Fate fucks us over.

Time fucks us up

Death fucks us out.

Life is the worst sort of orgy.