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Theory: Picard and Seven were or still are in a romantic relationship??

Were or are Picard and Seven ever in a romantic relationship?


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So the present novelverse will no longer continue?
Yes but the relaunch novels are episodic and each area linked

If memory serves, the new novels just convert to new canon, keeping what can be "saved" from earlier books that no longer fit completely. It's messy and kinda defeats the purpose of a novel-verse, IMHO, but that's how things work in franchise's like this.
 
So the present novelverse will no longer continue?
It's looking like Collateral Damage will be the culmination of the current Next Gen novelverse, with future novels tying into Star Trek: Picard rather than the novelverse continuity. There is one more Voyager novel planned too, which will presumably tie up their dangling threads.
 
It's looking like Collateral Damage will be the culmination of the current Next Gen novelverse, with future novels tying into Star Trek: Picard rather than the novelverse continuity. There is one more Voyager novel planned too, which will presumably tie up their dangling threads.

On the other hand, some of the DSC novels were apparently written with the idea to work with the novel-verse (at least the first referenced some novel-verse species). On top of that, most of the new TOS novels are just stand alone stuff. Maybe the other series will go that route as well?
 
Does this mean the novels have to change to reflect the show? (No more reprints of Star Trek Destiny?)


First off, they're not gonna stop reprinting Destiny because of PIC. They didn't stop making copies of Federation by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens when ST:FC contradicted its depiction of Zefram Cochrane; they didn't stop printing copies of Strangers From the Sky by Margaret Wander Bonano when FC contradicted its depiction of first contact with Vulcan; they didn't stop printing copies of Spock's World by Diane Duane when ENT's Vulcan Reformation arc contradicted its depiction of Surak's death; they didn't stop printing copies of My Enemy, My Ally by Diane Duane when TNG contradicted her depiction of the Romulans; and they didn't stop printing copies of The Final Reflection by John M. Ford when TNG contradicted his depiction of the Klingons. Hell, even Star Wars didn't stop printing copies of their pre-Disney Expanded Universe after they nullified that continuity; they just slapped the label Legends on them and kept printing it.

Meanwhile, yes, the ST novels will probably have to change to reflect the canon. That's just how it usually happens in these kinds of tie-in franchises; the tail does not get to wag the dog. If for no other reason than that PIC is virtually guaranteed to have millions more fans than the novels, and S&S isn't gonna want someone to pick up a new novel and be like, "Why is Picard's life totally different from what the new show said it was?"

So the present novelverse will no longer continue?

Well, not in its current form, obviously. I'm not convinced the whole thing will be chucked out though.

I think one illustrative example is what the novel line did in 2004-2005, during ENT's fourth season. That season, the NX-01 visited Andoria and established it to be an ice moon instead of a planet proper, and then the show established that the Constitution-class USS Defiant from "The Tholian Web" had survived and been transported to the 2150s of the Mirror Universe. This totally contradicted Andor: Paradigm by Heather Jarman (from Worlds of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine), which depicted Andor (no "-ia") as having a tropical climate in at least some areas, and contradicted the Starfleet Corps of Engineers e-book duology Interphase by Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore, which depicted the Defiant as surviving into the prime universe's 2370s and being rescued by the crew of the USS da Vinci and brought back to Earth.

How did the novels cope? Well, they didn't throw out the entire continuity. Future novels just ignored the parts of Andor: Paradigm that referred to Andor's climate, and Interphase was ignored but the rest of the S.C.E. line continued just fine.

So I think it is entirely possible that there may be major elements of the novelverse that get nullified or retconned depending on what happens in PIC, but that entire kit and caboodle may not need to be thrown out the window. Like, yeah, maybe in future books the idea is that Picard's life was different and the Borg Collective wasn't finally dismantled at the end of Destiny, but maybe a major Borg invasion still happened in 2380 so some key stuff from the novelverse continuity survives. Hell, for all we know the PIC show may borrow elements from the novelverse continuity -- PIC co-creator Kirsten Beyer is one of those novelists, after all. Maybe we'll find out Starfleet can't help Picard rescue the girl because they're busy fighting the Typhon Pact! Who knows? Lots of options.

We do know one other thing: The novelists have said that they have a plan. They're good writers. I trust them.
 
(1) He's WAY too old for her.

(2) I can't see her being all that eager to hop into bed with anyone anytime soon.
 
Well, he's old enough in universe to be her Grandpa. Picard was never all that interested in relationships during TNG. He's likely much less interested in them now.
 
I'm going with Picard had a relationship with Dr. Crusher, or wanted to but didn't, then The Unimaginable happened, and he spent the time from then until 2399 being a shell of himself. So Seven of Nine and his Section 31 (or Starfleet Intelligence) contact Raffi Musiker, Michelle Hurd's character, are probably people he met between 2381 and 2386 while he was an Admiral.

He might've met Seven through Janeway, one of his fellow Admirals. I'm guessing with Musiker, he probably knows her through gathering intelligence on the Romulans or anything else that he had to deal with in the Post-War Alpha Quadrant that he wouldn't have had to deal with when he was Captain of the Enterprise. His whole scope changed.
 
(1) He's WAY too old for her.

(2) I can't see her being all that eager to hop into bed with anyone anytime soon.
People have relationships with other people who others say are 'way too old' for millenia, I don't see the 24th century changing that. IRL Lady Patrick Stewart is old enough to be his daughter, he is 79, she is 41.
 
Based on the way she talks to Jean Luc,
could it be that Seven and Picard have been in a relationship or even been married for a time???

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Seven has a dark side (She can go from zero to attack dog in a heartbeat! :eek: )
 
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I'd say 25, if you're 30 and dating an 18 year old that will still be pretty frowned upon.

When I was but a lad of nineteen, I couldn’t wait to be old enough to date girls my own age...

As most of them were going out with thirty year olds.
Mainly the manager.
 
When I was but a lad of nineteen, I couldn’t wait to be old enough to date girls my own age...

As most of them were going out with thirty year olds.
Mainly the manager.

Those are some pretty creepy 30-year-old managers if they're dating their 19-year-old subordinates. I would hope that Captain Picard is a bit more ethical than that.
 
When I was but a lad of nineteen, I couldn’t wait to be old enough to date girls my own age...

As most of them were going out with thirty year olds.
Mainly the manager.

Those are some pretty creepy 30-year-old managers if they're dating their 19-year-old subordinates. I would hope that Captain Picard is a bit more ethical than that.

Picard is 19 years older than Bev.

Let's talk about Jean-Luc and Beverly.

Jean-Luc Picard was born in 2305. Beverly Crusher, nee Howard, was born in 2324, making him, as you say, 19 years old at the time of her birth.

Beverly met Jack Crusher some time after being admitted to Starfleet Academy in 2342 at the age of 18. We do not know exactly when they met or for how long they dated, but they married in 2348, when she was 24. Wesley was born a year later. According to Memory Alpha, some time after their marriage, Jack served aboard the USS Stargazer under Jean-Luc, and Jean-Luc met and fell in love with Beverly. Jack died as a Stargazer officer in 2353, when Beverly was 29 and Jean-Luc was 48.

So, let's assume, for the sake of this argument, that Jack and Beverly met Jean-Luc in 2350, giving them three years to build a meaningful friendship and Jean-Luc three years to fall into unrequited love with Beverly. Jean-Luc would have been 45-48, and Beverly would have been 26-29.

The 40-something Jean-Luc never pursued a relationship with the 20-something Beverly.

I repeat: The 40-something Jean-Luc never pursued a relationship with the 20-something Beverly.

When they met again in 2364 aboard the Enterprise-D, Beverly was now 40 years old and Picard was 59. Over the course of TNG and the TNG films, they went from ages 40-55 and ages 59-74, respectively.

There is a world of difference between a person in their mid-to-late 40s pursuing a person in their mid-to-late20s, and a person in their early 60s pursuing a person in their 40s, or a person in their 70s pursuing a person in their 50s. There is even, I would argue, a significant difference between a person in their 40s pursuing a person in their mid-20s vs. pursuing a person in their late teens or early 20s.

The basic issue here is power differential that is unavoidable in an adult who has gained major life experience vs. an adult who has not gained major life experience. There are two basic ways to think about it: The attainment of a certain level of personal autonomy by one's mid-20s, and the difference in ages expressed as a percentage of the younger person's age.

So, if a 30-year-old is chasing an 18-year-old, that 12-year age gap is two-thirds of the younger person's entire existence. If a 52-year-old is chasing a 40-year-old, then the age gap is less than one-third of the younger person's lifespan. If a 74-year-old is chasing a 55-year-old, then the age gap is only 21.8% of the younger person's lifespan.

To put it another way: The age gap matters less and less as the younger person ages and thereby gains more personal autonomy, self-assurance, and self-empowerment. The power differential lessens meaningfully.

Anyway.

Bottom line is that a 30-year-old Picard wouldn't chase a 19-year-old. The 45-year-old Picard didn't chase the 26-year-old Beverly in spite of his own feelings, and the 60-something Picard was extremely reluctant to get into a relationship with the 40-something Beverly during their time together aboard the Enterprise.

Picard is an ethical guy, and he wouldn't chase a kid.
 
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