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Spoilers Theory about the Franklin

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The Franklin has NX-326 on her hull and as her registry, but she was stated to have been the first Warp 4 ship, which one would think would place her construction before Archer's NX-01.

My theory is that she *was* built before the NX-01, and had some other UESPA or Earth Starfleet hull designation, and was decommissioned and "mothballed" (at a location similar to the later Surplus Depot at Qualar II) along with a lot of other ships, possibly dozens, from that fleet, over time. At some point later (3-10 years after the formation of the Federation? - but shortly before the decommissioning of MACO, which would have taken time to negotiate and more time to actually wind down as a service), in an effort to quickly expand the number of available ships (because of a war, or to support a massive exploration effort, or... any number of possible reasons), the (Federation) Starfleet Corps of Engineers (or whatever the predecessor organization was - possibly just the Starfleet Engineering department) suggested pulling the ships that were still in good condition out of the depot, upgrading them as well as could be done quickly, and putting them back into service. 32 viable hulls received this treatment, and since seeing if this would work well was an experiment, they were designated NX-300 through NX-331.

Yes, I'm pulling most of these numbers out of my posterior and if you like the overall idea, feel free to adjust to taste. ;) And if you're wondering where ships 03-299 came from, my theory would be that some were other NX-Class ships that were under construction at the end of Enterprise, but many others were ships from the various home defense fleets of the new Federation worlds that were added to the Federation Starfleet, and that for a while that fleet looked very much like a hodge-podge with only hull markers and other livery binding them into the same fleet - and full integration took a loooong time for some (like the long lived Vulcans and their USS Intrepid that I presume operated under Starfleet only through the command structure of the subordinate Vulcan Space Command, explaining how they could be an all Vulcan crew but Spock was still regarded as the only Vulcan actually properly IN Starfleet.... )

Thoughts?
 
I thought it was pretty clear that Edison was given captaincy of some old jalopy as a consolation prize when the MACOs were disbanded.

I consider things like registry numbers to be mere background minutiae that should basically be ignored.

Kor
 
Rise of the Federation lists a lot of ships being given new classifications after 2161.

The movie and the staffs comments afterwards have confirmed this. USS/NX-326 are all post 2161 changes for the MACO retirees
 
You're saying this idea already exists and is semi-official. So without having heard it elsewhere... I have somehow mastered it. /Lal

;)
 
None of the pre-Federation Earth ships other than the NX class had registries or even names printed on their hulls. If the Franklin was built before the NX class as well, then it also probably had no name or registry on its hull originally. Both the fact that it did after being given to Edison, and that the dedication plaque lists the Franklin as a Federation ship, is enough evidence that the registry was not original but updated later. So there's no problem with a ship built before the NX-01 having a Federation registry of NX-326.

While I like the Franklin's design, I would have preferred that the ship actually be the Enterprise NX-01. Sure, it would have been inconsistent with TATV, but would anyone really care about that?
 
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"The first ship to have warp drive installed" according to Scotty in TAS: "The Time Trap" had the registry 10281NCC. Therefore I've no problem with the Franklin being built before Enterprise NX-01 and having the number NX-315, possibly being a MACO ship separate from Starfleet and then rebranded USS Franklin in 2161 and spammed with Starfleet and Federation signage.
 
I think most (if not all) of this ground has already been covered (to some extent or other) in previous "USS Franklin" threads
Well, I did ask for thoughts, and that's definitely one of those. :bolian:

I haven't read any of those threads - only got to see the movie, finally, on this last Sunday. I'd say I'm sorry for the repetition of the idea, but it's a good idea whether it came from me originally or not, and also, I'm not sorry. :nyah:
 
You're saying this idea already exists and is semi-official. So without having heard it elsewhere... I have somehow mastered it. /Lal

;)

Just saying that Trek has a built in explanation ready to go, which the movie staff totally endorse us using. Not a lot of work needs to be done for this one thankfully.

And finding a screencap last night there's another interesting thing.

Her penant is embossed into her hull, not printed on. So when she was fixed up, it looks like new hull plating was added with her name and registry pressed into it, which I'm not sure has ever been done before.

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...Thanks for the first shot so far to confirm that the name on the hull isn't U.S.S FRANK LIN, like on the dedication plaque. :p

Embossed? Or just written in the "extended" font familiar from the TOS movies, with a border running around each letter?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Look at the way the light shines on the U.S part, and the recessed shadow of the other letters, thy're sunken into the hull.

It's a nice effect, and something different for a change. Plus no having to keep repainting it.
 
Looks like it, yeah.

Are those phaser turrets flanking the pennant? The ship did have at least two dorsal sources for the red pulses. It's an ENT'esque location, too.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Not sure of the fuss.

Starfleet had ships before the NX-01 in the form of the intrepid and ganges class and though not official cannon the daedalus in the books is meant to predate the NX.

Best explanation is they only started the numbering system after the NX classand so retroactively numbered the old ships.
 
Looks like it, yeah.

Are those phaser turrets flanking the pennant? The ship did have at least two dorsal sources for the red pulses. It's an ENT'esque location, too.

Timo Saloniemi

I think that's where the red pulses where coming from when she opened fire. When she emerges from the water later on, there are tubes on her underside that could be the torpedo launchers.

Plus, some fans have had a good look at better caps and her length is closer to 137 meters long. The NX class is 225 meters long.
 
None of the pre-Federation Earth ships other than the NX class had registries or even names printed on their hulls.
Mostly that's because none of them were seen much more than a minute or so in their episodes, and there is precedent in Trek for such ships not to have names or registries on their hull, such as this Galaxy class ship from WYLB.
 
Mostly that's because none of them were seen much more than a minute or so in their episodes, and there is precedent in Trek for such ships not to have names or registries on their hull, such as this Galaxy class ship from WYLB.

And yet the same can be said for the First Contact ships, but they all had names and registry numbers on their hulls.
 
Not really, because your example of the Venture doesn't count. They didn't deliberately leave the name and registry off the saucer; they actually painted over it because it was the Enterprise-D's name and registry. You can even see where they covered it up.
That wasn't the Venture. The Venture was from The Way of the Warrior and still had the phaser banks on top of the nacelles that were added onto the model for its turn as the future Enterprise in AGT. The ship in my post clearly does not have phaser banks on the nacelle tops. Indeed, I'm almost certain the ship in my post is CG. Admittedly, much of the final battle in WYLB is re-used footage from other Dominion War battles, I'm quite certain that shot is new.

However, you are right the Venture did not have name or registry on its hull either. So that's two Galaxy class ships without.
 
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