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Theme Music Vote

Do You Like the Theme Music?


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This is exactly true, but there aren't many metrics to go on, especially close to real time, so these likes on videos about the subject at hand are about as good as it gets.
Oh, I agree! And there's no doubt that at least some of those likes are for the music, but you can't draw a conclusion based on that data.

In my case, I voted "No" on this poll, but reluctantly. I like the homages to the original ... I love the sound of the cellos. It is a pleasant piece of music. But the lack of a melody distinct to the show itself deprives Discovery of character. Sure, the overall style is distinctive, but I'd rather have a tune I can whistle.
 
"Hate" is too strong imo, I'd go with "Stinks"
Well, that's the point of a Likert scale ... to cover the entire continuum of options. But let's try to work with "Stinks" on a Likert scale. Since that's probably as bad as you can make it, I'll use that at one end and submit something like this:
"Stinks!", "Disappointing", "Neutral", "Good", "Perfect!"

But in this case "Disappointing" is a bit weak, since one can be disappointed that the music isn't perfect. This is the problem with a lot of polls on TrekBBS that try to be cute. Interpretation of some words or phrases can vary, altering the value of the instrument collecting data.
 
The first few seconds are magic. The last few seconds are a copycat. Everything in between reminds me of a generic, meandering and indistinct version of a rhythmic Hans Zimmer score... except that I can actually remember Zimmer's music after I listen to it.

I expect main theme music to brusquely grab me in a sensitive area and violently shake me. This tune just didn't do that. :shrug:

Kor
 
Well, I guess it's fair to say Rama will be Discovery's biggest fan. Not only have I yet to see him concede a single shortcoming the series has, but he openly challenges and and all criticism. When someone is so universally praiseworthy it just seems a little off-putting. Nothing is ever perfect.
Isn't this a post aimed directly at another poster? A few days ago I was 'threatened with actions' for doing a similar thing....... weird that some people can apparently get away with it and others can not...
 
Well, I guess it's fair to say Rama will be Discovery's biggest fan. Not only have I yet to see him concede a single shortcoming the series has, but he openly challenges and and all criticism. When someone is so universally praiseworthy it just seems a little off-putting. Nothing is ever perfect.
Because I know the source of criticisms and I know they have more to do with preconceived notions about what it is being seen and lots of knee jerk reactions (I'm surprised the planet didn't move a few inches to the right when the ship and Klingons were released).

As far as shortcomings go, I am lucky enough to have access to more inside information than most here and yet I haven't seen the actual show, so I have no idea how I'll like the finished product. My opinions are based on what I'd objectively like to see for a modern show. I have lots of information about why I'd think I'd like it and have revealed that in ongoing posts.

Yeah it is kind of sad when someone like myself with a sense of perspective of Star Trek history is excited and some others aren't. Sometimes things are just good, and people feel wrong for feeling that way, like they don't deserve it. Many neurotic Trekkies feel this way. "There has to be something wrong with it!!":lol: Trekkies have a habit of thinking the sky is falling, and I'm much too positive and upbeat a person to be included in those ranks.

Anyway, yes I have complained about a few things including the very poor video quality of released material, which in some sense I understand because a lot of the work in the videos were temp FX. I could also complain about the 2.0 sound, which is acceptable but not ideal..having since watched some CBSAA episodes. Early on I complained about the delays, when I was mentally ready for the show in January of 2017.

Reviews will be out Sept 19th and after and I'll decide for myself on the 24th. Even if DSC isn't as good as I expect, I doubt it will reach the lows of some of the lesser episodes of previous Trek series, and will probably be at least as good as my two least favorite. In the end, it's the first new Trek show in 12 years, for a franchise we supposedly like by coming here, and the studio has put a staggering amount of resources into it. As Trek fans we're pretty lucky in the entertainment world. Too bad some don't realize it. Pity them.

RAMA
 
The first few seconds are magic. The last few seconds are a copycat. Everything in between reminds me of a generic, meandering and indistinct version of a rhythmic Hans Zimmer score... except that I can actually remember Zimmer's music after I listen to it.

I expect main theme music to brusquely grab me in a sensitive area and violently shake me. This tune just didn't do that. :shrug:

Kor
Fair enough. That's not the reaction I'm seeing on social media though. Lots of people have been moved, and yes, I admitted I had goosebumps the first two times I heard it.
 
Isn't this a post aimed directly at another poster? A few days ago I was 'threatened with actions' for doing a similar thing....... weird that some people can apparently get away with it and others can not...

He is criticizing somebody's posts and posting history, not their character. If you have a problem with a post, please hit the "report"-button, don't try and mini-mod the forum. Comments to PM.
 
The first few seconds are magic. The last few seconds are a copycat. Everything in between reminds me of a generic, meandering and indistinct version of a rhythmic Hans Zimmer score... except that I can actually remember Zimmer's music after I listen to it.

I expect main theme music to brusquely grab me in a sensitive area and violently shake me. This tune just didn't do that. :shrug:

Kor
Considering this is a show about a super-groovy mushroom driven starship, they could easily have used Steppenwolf's "Magic Carpet Ride" and called it a day. :rommie:
 
Isn't this a post aimed directly at another poster? A few days ago I was 'threatened with actions' for doing a similar thing....... weird that some people can apparently get away with it and others can not...
It's ok I'm a big boy I can handle it. :)
 
Oh, I agree! And there's no doubt that at least some of those likes are for the music, but you can't draw a conclusion based on that data.

In my case, I voted "No" on this poll, but reluctantly. I like the homages to the original ... I love the sound of the cellos. It is a pleasant piece of music. But the lack of a melody distinct to the show itself deprives Discovery of character. Sure, the overall style is distinctive, but I'd rather have a tune I can whistle.
Which is why I try to draw from various sources. So far, the results from various sources resoundingly like the theme.

No these are not scientific polls, they are what they are. So far none have come even close to disliking it. Conclusion drawn..
 
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I loved it. Thought it was perfect.

I can't believe people are calling it "bland" and "uninspired" and then turn around and praise Voyager's theme. That's the one that's bland and humdrum. DS9's was the best, so haunting and chilling. I still get tingles from it. TNG's was great at the time but hasn't aged well. TOS's is...I'll be honest, I'm not crazy about it, at least with the opera singer. But I keep putting TOS outside my usual judgments as without it, the others wouldn't exist.
 
Because I know the source of criticisms and I know they have more to do with preconceived notions about what it is being seen and lots of knee jerk reactions (I'm surprised the planet didn't move a few inches to the right when the ship and Klingons were released).

As far as shortcomings go, I am lucky enough to have access to more inside information than most here and yet I haven't seen the actual show, so I have no idea how I'll like the finished product. My opinions are based on what I'd objectively like to see for a modern show. I have lots of information about why I'd think I'd like it and have revealed that in ongoing posts.

Yeah it is kind of sad when someone like myself with a sense of perspective of Star Trek history is excited and some others aren't. Sometimes things are just good, and people feel wrong for feeling that way, like they don't deserve it. Many neurotic Trekkies feel this way. "There has to be something wrong with it!!":lol: Trekkies have a habit of thinking the sky is falling, and I'm much too positive and upbeat a person to be included in those ranks.

Anyway, yes I have complained about a few things including the very poor video quality of released material, which in some sense I understand because a lot of the work in the videos were temp FX. I could also complain about the 2.0 sound, which is acceptable but not ideal..having since watched some CBSAA episodes. Early on I complained about the delays, when I was mentally ready for the show in January of 2017.

Reviews will be out Sept 19th and after and I'll decide for myself on the 24th. Even if DSC isn't as good as I expect, I doubt it will reach the lows of some of the lesser episodes of previous Trek series, and will probably be at least as good as my two least favorite. In the end, it's the first new Trek show in 12 years, for a franchise we supposedly like by coming here, and the studio has put a staggering amount of resources into it. As Trek fans we're pretty lucky in the entertainment world. Too bad some don't realize it. Pity them.

RAMA
The default position of some Trek fans is "it's new, therefore I hate it" and "it's older, therefore I love it."

I think these are the knee-jerk reactions due to fear of the new and having gotten used to the old. It never crosses their minds that a few years ago, several old, familiar series they now love, or at least like, used to be new and loathed.

Voyager and Enterprise are the ones that surprise me the most. Thanks to the internet, I saw many thousands of knee-jerk, instant reactions to both shows, and how these cries of "it sucks sooo bad!" would be repeated after every episode. I had an account here back when ENT was running (don't recall the name, and I think it's been removed) and was one of the few "give ENT a chance" voices on this board, which I eventually left because it seemed like all Trek fans liked to was hunt for "canon violations" and when they found one (or thought they had; much of what they complained about didn't even violate canon) go on and on about how the producers "don't even care" and "are trying to kill Trek". I was certain Voyager and Enterprise would go down in history as the worst of the worst, the series you could just skip. Even today when I dipped my toes in the waters on Facebook, I decided to not even mention ENT, and admit I wasn't a VGR fan (I'm really not; most of its criticisms I feel are justified) but soon saw comment after comment saying "This new show looks terrible. I loved Voyager and Enterprise but this one looks awful." Huh?

It's the same on this board...this very board that I left because of all the Enterprise hatred! Now ENT is fine, VGR is fine, but DSC is still the devil (to some; obviously not all).

I await the hallowed year 2039, when "loyal viewers" will degrade and sneer at the trailer for Star Trek: Phoenix and insist that it will suck hard, and they miss "real Star Trek" like Enterprise and Discovery.
 
The default position of some Trek fans is "it's new, therefore I hate it" and "it's older, therefore I love it."

The reverse is also true, people who are trying so badly to be contemporary that they love to take a whiz on purists and claim the taste of purists is a sign that they should just shuffle off to the old-folks-home and leave the keys with the next generation.

Good music is good music. Nobody's gonna bash a great theme regardless of when it was made, but great themes are difficult to do and composers these days are just not as good as they once were.

There are a lot of articles decrying the dropoff in quality of composing in Hollywood. For instance, even Zimmer couldn't come up with a better theme for Superman in Man of Steel than John WIlliams did.

Trek set a pretty high bar and people have a right to expect a lot.
 
I was certain Voyager and Enterprise would go down in history as the worst of the worst, the series you could just skip
That's pretty much true. I'm really hoping Discovery is one I'll be rewatching for decades to come like TOS, TNG and DS9, rather than a once-through-eventually show like the most recent two. I'm always skeptical of marketing of movies and shows so my final judgement will be on the show itself. But certain things that have come out in advance, like the ship design and the theme music, haven't exactly wowed. Others, like the sets, props and uniforms, I'm quite impressed with.
I'm still pretty psyched after all the buildup to finally see it.
 
I was really excited for the show six months ago--heck even three months ago. But each new bit of info has chipped away at that excitement. I just don't see any there there.

What started out looking like something ambitious and fresh seems to have rolled over and played everything safe.

It's like a NFL defense that starts out aggressive and blitzing, but, for some unknown reason, comes out of the bye playing nothing but cover-2 prevent.
 
On the other hand, I have only become more and more excited for this show with each new release.

It may be because this is my first Star Trek show I am watching live (I was 1 when Enterprise started, and I only started watching Star Trek about 2 years ago.)
 
I was really excited for the show six months ago--heck even three months ago. But each new bit of info has chipped away at that excitement. I just don't see any there there.

What started out looking like something ambitious and fresh seems to have rolled over and played everything safe.

It's like a NFL defense that starts out aggressive and blitzing, but, for some unknown reason, comes out of the bye playing nothing but cover-2 prevent.
Interesting that this is your take, as the big problem nearly everyone else seems to have is that it's too different. "It doesn't look or feel like real Trek" or "it's so different it's gotta be an alternate timeline" are the frequent cries.
 
That's pretty much true.
Depends on who you ask. I have seen I don't know how many social media posts about how much people love Enterprise, and I've been slapped down more than a few times after I admit I'm not a fan of Voyager. Now, to me, Voyager is the series with no "there" there.

Larry Nemecek said in a podcast that new viewers who are just now binging old Trek on NetFlix have responded the most positively to DS9 and ENT, and he attributes that to them not being lifelong fans the first time they saw these shows, and "don't know they're supposed to hate them".
 
The reverse is also true, people who are trying so badly to be contemporary that they love to take a whiz on purists and claim the taste of purists is a sign that they should just shuffle off to the old-folks-home and leave the keys with the next generation.

Good music is good music. Nobody's gonna bash a great theme regardless of when it was made, but great themes are difficult to do and composers these days are just not as good as they once were.

There are a lot of articles decrying the dropoff in quality of composing in Hollywood. For instance, even Zimmer couldn't come up with a better theme for Superman in Man of Steel than John WIlliams did.

Trek set a pretty high bar and people have a right to expect a lot.
I won't deny there are bandwagon jumpers, but I think they're a distinct minority. Most of them just don't appreciate the new stuff being dumped on before it's even released.

I keep hearing about "nothing I've seen in the trailers or read about it has given me any hope" and I think "well, by that logic, TNG sucked balls". TNG had weaksauce trailers even for the late 80's, and the papers couldn't stop talking about how "Trekkies" were aghast at the very concept.

All I wish is for Trekkers to just be as open-minded as they like to say they are. Watch the show before you judge. That's all I ask. Nothing, literally nothing you learn in advance will really compare to having actually watched it. I thought I was gonna hate DS9 and love VGR. Today the exact opposite is true. I was willing to give ENT a chance, and was starting to agree with the haters until the 4th season came along and was awesome.
 
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