I wonder how many of the venting dailyfail readers actually saw the episode and how many are responding to shit stirring by the paper.
I suspect the larger number is in the later category.
"The Zygon Inversion" Grade and Discussion Thread
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I wonder how many of the venting dailyfail readers actually saw the episode and how many are responding to shit stirring by the paper.
I suspect the larger number is in the later category.
For what it's worth, almost this exact situation happens in the Eighth Doctor audios, and the Zygon duplicate ages (seemingly) normally.
I had a really nice post and it went away but of course this one worked.
So maybe it's for the best it was too long with references and stuff.
Summed, so what if 20 million Zygons are loose in the world, you were far more likely to be killed by a Human anyway.
Liked the speech. Voted very good.
They wiped Kate's mind 15 times why don't they just hire a Silent to be the janitor of the Black Archive.
So maybe it's for the best it was too long with references and stuff.
Summed, so what if 20 million Zygons are loose in the world, you were far more likely to be killed by a Human anyway.
Liked the speech. Voted very good.
They wiped Kate's mind 15 times why don't they just hire a Silent to be the janitor of the Black Archive.
I think what annoyed me the most though is that Bonnie was allowed to go unpunished despite the murder of countless humans and Zygons. She's even allowed to happily assume Osgood's form and have a good life with her. All because the Doctor forgave her (something he wouldn't have done if she had killed Clara). The Doctor has never been a death penalty kind of guy but he did support locking up The Master for instance. It appears now that if the Doctor forgives you, you don't have to suffer the consequences of your actions. And he'll get pissy with humans for insisting that they do. I think this is one of the reasons I haven't taken to the 12th Doctor.
This half was actually decent, but the first part is so bad that it's still somewhat tainted. Bonnie should not have been forgiven so easily. There's no penitence for her and Kate gets her memory erased for the 16th time?
Did anyone honestly expect that the Doctor was actually going to leave a doomsday weapon in the hands of the stupid apes?
Kate gets wiped, and the Zygon gets forgiven.
Considering that Truth or Consequences was written inside the Osgood boxes, I'm almost willing to believe that anytime they figure out a Zygon is moving towards breaking the peace, they brainwash him or her into carrying out the Truth or Consequences Scenario.
So if all that was a wargame spanning the entire fricking world with a reasonable body count... Was it really the world and did anyone really die? Because erasing kates brain doesn't erase everyone she's given orders to, the dead bodies or the paper trail.
Considering that Truth or Consequences was written inside the Osgood boxes, I'm almost willing to believe that anytime they figure out a Zygon is moving towards breaking the peace, they brainwash him or her into carrying out the Truth or Consequences Scenario.
So if all that was a wargame spanning the entire fricking world with a reasonable body count... Was it really the world and did anyone really die? Because erasing kates brain doesn't erase everyone she's given orders to, the dead bodies or the paper trail.
Good point. Kate and Bonnie had Dream Crabs on their faces the whole time. (Or Jenna and the Doctor do, and we never left the Arctic base.)
I think the Doctor was being flip when he said it was the sixteenth time. I mean, I think it's happened before-- not just that many times.
The reason he wipes her memory is because she hasn't learned a lesson. She didn't learn to think, she didn't learn that violence was not the answer; she just became horrified at the particular violence she was about to unleash. One of the things that makes the treaty work is UNIT's belief that something devastating to Zygons is in the Osgood Box, and the Doctor needs Kate to maintain that belief.
Someone on another forum picked me up on this point when I said that they basically let Bonnie off. In the real world we had Ireland and the "troubles" and basically forgave all that and the Rwanda genocide..
I don't know if that is a valid point they are trying to make but even that feels wrong.
I don't know if that is a valid point they are trying to make but even that feels wrong.
As I cheekily tried to point out earlier; in situations like this (Nazis in WWII, IRA, Rwanda) not everyone was forgiven or allowed to go home. People, dependent on their crimes, did face trial and were either executed or imprisoned. Then you had people like Joseph Mengle and other Nazi officers, who fled to another country (Brazil) as their regime collapsed. However, your average grunt soldier isn't likely to face jail time, just because his side lost the war.
With Bonnie and Doctor Who, the entire "Zygon Invasion" was given a whitewash, and the Doctor basically told both sides to try again. For the X time. Presumably meaning, that the peace process worked out in TDOTD failed previously.
And who knows what happens next when another unhappy Zygon bumps off Bonnie and starts the whole thing again.
When I saw the Truth/Consequence buttons I started to suspect the whole "Truth and Consequences" story was made up. So I checked... And it's not.
Knowing which city the Zygons are going to use as their base all 16 times is weird. Do these boxes have psychic paper labels on them, was this indeed a dream crab scenario or it is just weird?
Poor Truth or Consequencians, did we just set them up for a perpetual alien invasion?
Knowing which city the Zygons are going to use as their base all 16 times is weird. Do these boxes have psychic paper labels on them, was this indeed a dream crab scenario or it is just weird?
Poor Truth or Consequencians, did we just set them up for a perpetual alien invasion?
But they are coming closer to peace with each iteration, and Bonnie can better serve the peace process as an advocate who understands both sides than she can in prison for her crimes. Yes, maybe that's not right, but people have been let off for worse things, in both real life and Doctor Who. (Remember that from 2005 to 2013, our protagonist was a man who had committed two genocides for the "greater good," and redoubled his dedication to peace as a result.)
I also had an issue with the "tribute" to Harry Sullivan, which was anything like one. The Harry we saw in Classic Who would never have created a weapon like that gas, which is supposed to kill the Zygons in an incredibly painful way. He would have more likely helped the Doctor steal the weapon. Not to mention he was a general practioner and not a bio-chemist. Another "wonderful" tribute to Classic Who...
Harry Sullivan was a serving member of her majesty's armed forces and UNIT so he'd do what he was ordered to do...and then he'd tip the Doctor the wink about what he'd created.
Worth mentioning as well that the last mention of Harry in Classic Who came in Mawdryn Undead when the Brigadier mentioned that he was doing something hush hush at Porton Down so the notion of him being involved in the creation of a biological or chemical weapon isn't that far fetched.
Always assuming Z67 ever really existed, since it wasn't in either box and mysteriously vanished after Harry invented it...
Worth mentioning as well that the last mention of Harry in Classic Who came in Mawdryn Undead when the Brigadier mentioned that he was doing something hush hush at Porton Down so the notion of him being involved in the creation of a biological or chemical weapon isn't that far fetched.
Always assuming Z67 ever really existed, since it wasn't in either box and mysteriously vanished after Harry invented it...
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