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The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)
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Ditto.
Well, maybe that's why I'm watching a superhero movie, and not a biography. If you're supposed to believe a man can shoot laser beams out of my eyes, then you can believe that the worst possible thing won't always happen (in the stupidest ways) just because real life usually sucks. In fiction, pointless deaths and an entire franchise worth of films being entirely pointless is a bad thing. Its also a kind of "realism" extreme that even people like Nolan and Snyder didn't/haven't done in their superhero work, and this is X-Men, not some super grounded junk.
I'm not lying. Just about the only X-23 things I haven't seen/read are the cartoon, Logan, and a few of the more obscure comics (stuff like cameos, and I think some book called NYX or something like that). Based on that, its basically as "in name only" as it can get while still technically being a version of the character. Its fine if you like the character in the movie, but she's barely X-23 even in the technical sense at this point. The only way she could be less is if she lost the claws, and personality wise she's no more X-23 then she is C-3PO.
The Harry Potter movies focused on child actors because the books required them to. Please note I didn't say Fox couldn't do an X-Men movie primarily starring child actors; I said they almost certainly wouldn't when they have so many other cheaper, easier options.
I suspect you know the meaning of the word 'unless', so by your own admission that scenario would have another movie ( or movies plural ) "lining up with" Logan.
As in the case of DOFP, if they feel the need to use a plot device to retcon it that still says it was a thing before the plot device, so it's a very different situation from just ignoring it.
Old Man Logan is self admittedly in an alternate timeline. It appears that Logan takes place in one possible future and doesn't necessarily book end the franchise. Besides, rather pointlessly -
I would expect Logan to have a different face in the foreseeable future. He'll eventually be recast.
I had a discussion with a colleague a couple of days ago about X23 - I said they'd got a problem with if they want to use her in any current movies as she won't be born for another year or so. My colleague pointed out that as she wasn't the unique combination of two sets of genetic information that only happens at a certain point in time (you aren't, after all, the same as your siblings and if you were conceived a day later, you'd be very different) other versions of X23 could be created at other times. Therefore she's useable in pretty much any Xmen movie or spinoff...
Logan isn't dead. He was suffering from adamantium poisoning which over time degraded his healing factor. At the end he had several open wounds and was covered with blood from X24. Genetically identical blood with an uncompromised healing factor. As it only takes a cell or two, eventually Logan will heal.
I would expect Logan to have a different face in the foreseeable future. He'll eventually be recast.
I had a discussion with a colleague a couple of days ago about X23 - I said they'd got a problem with if they want to use her in any current movies as she won't be born for another year or so. My colleague pointed out that as she wasn't the unique combination of two sets of genetic information that only happens at a certain point in time (you aren't, after all, the same as your siblings and if you were conceived a day later, you'd be very different) other versions of X23 could be created at other times. Therefore she's useable in pretty much any Xmen movie or spinoff...
I'm not sure, K5, did you watch Rogue One?
Because by your argument, watching that one would be totally pointless.
As well as the whole prequel trilogy of course.
Basically any prequel ever.
Also rewatching anything after seeing the end of it or getting spoiled on anything.
You must have a lot of time on your hand with all the things you never have to watch.
P.S.: The Titanic sinks!
Because by your argument, watching that one would be totally pointless.
As well as the whole prequel trilogy of course.
Basically any prequel ever.
Also rewatching anything after seeing the end of it or getting spoiled on anything.
You must have a lot of time on your hand with all the things you never have to watch.
P.S.: The Titanic sinks!
I liked Rogue One. The difference between Rogue One and Logan? Rogue One is a spinoff that didn't kill Luke, Leia, and declare that the Sith are now permanent rulers of the Galaxy. It didn't effect the franchise characters, it was a new group of people created for a specific purpose. Its fine to have movies that end badly for the characters in the movie. But, to be fair, SW is much less focused on a core group of characters then X-Men is. There is basically an infinite amount of characters that can be created for SW movies.
Plus, you know, when the prequels came out we already knew what would happen. The good guys win. So, seeing how they got into the situation in the first SW movie is an interesting prequel (in theory, obviously not in practice). If Return of the Jedi ended with the Emperor killing Luke and the second Death Star becoming operational, I'd have the same problems with it that I do with Logan. If Episode IX ends with Rey dying and Kylo Ren ruling the Galaxy, I'll have the same problem with it that I have with Logan. But, somehow I don't think that's going to happen.
In the end, you'd never end your franchise by killing all the characters, especially off screen. I honestly think its ridiculous to believe that FOX will ever actually follow Logan. They'll be making movies with the main X-Men characters probably after we pass the year Logan takes place in real life, so I'm content with how the franchise will actually go. I know this shitty spinoff is even less relevant to the franchise then Origins, and almost none of that movie works with the continuity of the franchise at this point and its gotten completely ignored basically since it came out.
Also, that statement about rewatching is so asinine I'm not even going to respond, except with this
In the end, sometimes franchises come to an end. But not with the worst possible future that negates the whole point of the franchise, and not years/decades before the franchise actually ends.P.S.: The Titanic sinking is a historic event, not a franchise. You might as well have said "PS: Pillows taste bad" and that would make about as much sense as bringing up the titanic.
And in the cartoon that she was initially created for, her personality was very similar to what it is in the movie. Similar character arc, even. So saying she's nothing like X-23 in personality is simply an incorrect, non-factual statement. Also worth pointing out, NYX was her debut in the comics.
Fair point. I think it could be interesting myself, but makes sense.
As I pointed out, I was talking about the X-23 that got popular, and the only reason she's in the movie at all. That is the comic version. No one outside of the few X-Men Evolution fans would remember her if the comics hadn't taken her and made her popular. That happened by the comic writers really making the definitive character off of the base the cartoon gave. If they hadn't done that, she'd never have been brought up after a few cartoon appearances. The comic book version is THE X-23. The debut version is not relevant at this point, and that version of the character would not have survived into 2017 like the comic version has. As for NYX, it doesn't really matter if it was her debut or not. It was a badly written comic that made X-23 a prostitute because Joe Quesada is a hack (which is why I never bothered to read it). Its not exactly a quality story, and I'm pretty sure X-23 is the only character from it that's still around.
Also, I did misspeak a little earlier. I did actually watch X-23's debut in X-Men evolution (its on the Season 3 DVD that I have). Spoiler alert: she has a completely different backstory, speaks fairly regularly, and barely resembles the Logan version. The only reason she's closer is because she is just as badly written as all the XME characters, so having a lot less personality puts her closer to the movie version. She's still not from Mexico, speaks more, has a completely different backstory (outside of being a clone of Wolverine) and acts a lot differently then the X-Men Baby version in the movie.
Anyway, I don't want to argue about this shitty movie anymore. Its already, in my opinion, the worst mainstream superhero movie ever, it completely screwing up X-23 is just about the least of its problems. I'll have to watch it once, but its just annoying and depressing to keep talking about it. I loathe it, others don't. That's fine. I'm done talking about that horrible movie.
kirk55555 said:
Except for when Kayla was in Logan's memories in The Wolverine, or when Xavier saw an event from Origins in Logan's mind during DOFP, or when Wolverine's history of fighting in all the wars came up again in The Wolverine, or when the bone claws reappeared in both of those movies, or when Logan was called "Jimmy" in DOFP, or when the
adamantium bullet
You can't count bone claws, those weren't created by Origins. X2 established that he had claws before the adamantium, so even though you don't see them bone claws were not from Origins. I don't remember boring love interest in The Wolverine, but that could exist without the movie counting. In then end, those are all little things. Deadpool, however, isn't. You can't just use that same, tired "Its a different character with the same name" excuse. Its just incompatible with the rest of the series. Obviously there are a few callbacks, but I bet if the Gambit film actually gets made it will also completely ignore Origins. Then, people will be trying to explain how there are two mutants named Gambit with identical looks and powers. But, the few Origins fans in the world will always try to explain how a movie that doesn't even work with X-Men 1 is somehow still canon.
Also, of course Logan would use
the magic bullet. A shit idea created in a shit film and is later used in an even worse film.
Better then both Logan and Fant4stic. Also better then Rise of the Silver Surfer, actually.
No it did not. If anything, X2 implies that the opposite is true. Stryker says to Logan, "You were an animal then, and you're an animal now. I just gave you claws." (I say implies only in case people take the line literally. I'm not saying the line should be taken literally.)
It's a fourth-wall-breaking comedy which refers to the actors playing X-Men in its dialogue and its main character knows he's in a movie. How that could be considered truly a part of continuity in the first place is beyond me.
But in any event how did we get from "completely ignored since it came out" to "sometimes ignored"?
They were introduced into the movieverse by Origins, and when the other movies use them they look the same as in Origins.
But the tired "those are different bone claws with the same name" excuse is beside the point. The main point was that even though people enraged by Origins insisted, as usual, that the universe must always ignore things they don't like, reality didn't quite play along. At least Mangold and Singer didn't.
It did no such thing. It even strongly implied otherwise, because Stryker says he was the one who gave Wolverine claws.
EDIT: ninja'd, too slow!
This translates to "even when I'm wrong I'm still right" because by that logic ultimately no amount of evidence will ever suffice to make a movie "count".
Amazingly, you seem to have left out explaining how it "doesn't even work with X-Men 1".
I think you'll find that Logan being worse than Origins is not likely to be considered a serious opinion, especially coming from someone who hasn't even seen Logan.
Yuh. That just mental.
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Amazingly, you seem to have left out explaining how it "doesn't even work with X-Men 1".
I figured that the mute (almost certainly diminished intelligence) version of Sabertooth would be fairly obvious as the reason X1 and Origins don't work together.
I don't have to see it. Again, with what I like and dislike, its already the worst mainstream superhero movie in my opinion. I know all the important parts of the movie and could get the last few pointless details if I bothered to google a more indepth summary or gave enough of a crap to take the "Blackbeard" route. But, I don't think any of my problems with the movie would be fixed by hearing Patrick Stewart curse or if I learned the name of the group hunting X-23.
As for my opinion, its as serious as anyone elses. No one has to agree with it, obviously, but that doesn't make it any less legitimate or serious as anyone elses. For how I judge movies, Logan is basically the worst superhero movie I know about (and I know about all the mainstream superhero movies, which is what I care about). I'm perfectly fine with being in the minority opinion.
1. There are years between them, anything could have happened.
B. Sabretooth in X-Men 1 is never referred to as Victor Creed. Victor Creed in X-Men Origins Wolverine is never referred to as Sabretooth. For all we know, they could be different people in the film universe.
Until you actually see the movie, this is not a factual statement.
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