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The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)
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^ Particular discussion of which should probably be directed to the DEADPOOL 2 Movie Anticipation Thread... 
Meh. There are plenty of questionable continuity moments in this franchise, but I didn't see these guys mention any of them other the the short time span between DOFP/Logan and the missing mutants between ancient egypt/20th century.
Instead they focus on the number of Jean Grays (which has nothing to do with continuity, since they were all the same character in the same basic circumstances - accounting for the alternate timeline, of course) and perpetuate the same boring complaints about the DOFP timeline reboot somehow being way too complicated because it erases X3 but not 1 or 2 - which is total bs that was invented entirely by the fanbase, not the movies. It erases everything from the old timeline and creates a new timeline in which some things are very different and some are less different.
IGN has a new article about 17 reasons X-Men movie continuity makes no sense. They do mention a lot of the ones we've discussed here.
I got to the third slide of that IGN article and wanted to facepalm, because they're talking about something - Wolverine: Origins' EMMA SILVERFOX vs. First Class' EMMA FROST - that isn't even an actual issue and has been already addressed by the X-Men producers (namely Lauren Shuler Donner), and continuing to click through the slideshow has just made things progressively worse, because they're only ASSUMING that things are continuity errors just because they can't or don't seem willing to accept some of the narrative conceits that have been set up by/introduced into the franchise over the course of its 16-year-history, particularly in the more recent films.
If you're going to try and make the argument that the X-Men franchise's continuity is screwed-up (although I'm not sure why you'd WANT to do that), you might want to actually put some thought into it instead of just regurgitating arguments that have either been categorically disproven or that can be easily and quickly explained by narrative conceits that the franchise itself has introduced... otherwise you just come off looking stupid.
If you're going to try and make the argument that the X-Men franchise's continuity is screwed-up (although I'm not sure why you'd WANT to do that), you might want to actually put some thought into it instead of just regurgitating arguments that have either been categorically disproven or that can be easily and quickly explained by narrative conceits that the franchise itself has introduced... otherwise you just come off looking stupid.
What...IGN coming off looking stupid? Say it ain't so!
grendelsbayne said:
Some reasonable assumptions about the new timeline can be deduced or extrapolated from evidence in the films. For example, we can tell from the ending of DOFP ( and from Logan, if we assume it takes place in the new timeline ) that the Liberty Island incident still happened in much the same way that it did in X1.
The events of The Wolverine ( pre-credits ) probably happened in the new timeline more or less as they did in the old timeline, because it stands to reason that Yukio's search for Logan would be at least no more difficult in the new timeline than it was when he was living in the woods off the grid and only coming into town to wreak vengeance on the occasional sadistic hunter.
And though I didn't process this the first time I saw Apocalypse, in that film it is explained that Apocalypse's awakening is a direct result of the events of DOFP and the fact that the existence of mutants is revealed to the general public earlier in the new timeline. Thus it is possible that Apocalypse was not revived in the old timeline.
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^ No, because, in the original timeline, Xavier made the mistake of giving into fear and 'corralling' her powers, which is what led to the creation of the Dark Phoenix "entity" as we saw it manifest itself in X3.
It seems clear that we're still going to get the Dark Phoenix story repeating itself in the new timeline, but the circumstances are likely going to be different since, in this instance, the Dark Phoenix won't be the manifestation of Jean's darkest impulses or based on a suppressed build-up of her powers and abilities.
It seems clear that we're still going to get the Dark Phoenix story repeating itself in the new timeline, but the circumstances are likely going to be different since, in this instance, the Dark Phoenix won't be the manifestation of Jean's darkest impulses or based on a suppressed build-up of her powers and abilities.
That's what I meant.
When young Xavier entered Logan's mind in DoFP to 'commune' with his older self, he learned about some of the mistakes that he (older Xavier) had made in the future, one of which was putting dampeners on Jean's powers, so by not making that mistake in the new timeline that was created as a result of Logan's actions in the past, Xavier facilitated what happened in Apocalypse where she unleashed her power and saved the day.
Exactly. Educated guesses about very specific events are about as far as the movies ever go in this regard, yet somehow people insist on dumbing everything down to 'this movie was erased and that one wasn't' and then complaining that that doesn't make sense. Of course it doesn't, because it's a stupid assumption that doesn't even come from the movies at all.
As an aside - what's your basis for the Liberty Island incident still happening? Is it just Rogue's hair, or was there another detail mentioned I forgot?
From the first scene in X3, in the original timeline he was already bald when Jean was a lot younger than she was in Apocalypse. And he could walk for some reason.Then how did Xavier go bald and Storm's hair go white in the original timeline?
In DOFP we see in the 70s Charles was in a funk, using injections to be able to walk, losing his powers, and moping around all depressed. But he gets out of it with help from Wolverine and the mission in the movie. I wonder how he eventually got out of it in the original timeline though, just finally came to his senses and eventually had to totally give up on Raven.
Frankly, I don't see why they keep going for the Dark Phoenix Saga over and over...I mean really, it wasn't even THAT good a story to begin with!
Of course, it's the only story Jean Grey is known for since she has nothing else to her character but you'd think some people would be sick of the sheer repetitiveness by now.
Of course, it's the only story Jean Grey is known for since she has nothing else to her character but you'd think some people would be sick of the sheer repetitiveness by now.
Eh, in terms of the movies, it's not actually that repetitive. They did it once, screwed it up, so now they'll probably give it a second go. This isn't like Spider-man where Sony kept producing the same movie over and over.
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