The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

[DigificWriter]

The simplest explanation, IMO, is that TLS!Moira is FC/X:A Moira's daughter or grandaughter.

Honestly, people make far more fuss over stuff like this than is actually warranted.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Maybe. But I think my theory is more fun (and could still be used for a movie down the line)!

Plus, I prefer to think that the romance angle between Charles & Moira extends to the X-Men: The Last Stand version, which would just be icky if she were the daughter of the Moira that Xavier was flirting with in X-Men: First Class.

 

[Reverend]

Continuity has never been a strong suit of any of the X-Men movies. It's really not worth sweating over the details.

 

[DigificWriter]

The continuity of the franchise is stronger than people think it is by several orders of magnitude.

 

[Tosk]

...Provided you make up a bunch of excuses for stuff they didn't bother to explain.

 

[Xerxes82]

I haven't actually played the 2011 game (it's too gratuitously gory for my tastes even though I'd been a fan of the franchise since its inception), so I can't really answer that question; all I can tell you is that, according to descriptions of the game's plot and individual character dossiers taken from places like Wikipedia and the Mortal Kombat fan wiki (hosted by Wikia), old Raiden's warning to young Raiden causes characters who didn't join the franchise until later originally to do so in the game itself.

Not a timeline change, a retcon. They simply decided that characters which weren't created until later in the franchise's history had always been a part of the narrative. Most obviously, a bunch of characters they didn't conceive of until MK3 and MK4 appearing in the narrative during the events of the original Mortal Kombat game.

You're not meant to think that something changed in the timeline prior to Raiden's message, rather that this was the way things actually played out the first time, we just didn't see the role these characters played. Nothing actually alters in the timeline until Raiden receives the message from himself and begins royally messing up everything.

 

[JD]

The Moira McTagart issue is one that bugs me the most in the X-Men movies, to have two prominent versions of the same character, whose ages and histories don't seem to line up does create a bit of a problem. I guess it could just be two characters with the same name, but that seems a bit unlikely.
Angel, Jubilee, and Pyslocke can at least be handwaved away with the time travel, even if it doesn't entirely work, it's at least something.

 

[Set Harth]

^There's no point arguing about the ripple effect endlessly, but just FYI: Jubilee was identified by name in one of the OT movies. Psylocke wasn't

Both were identified only in the end credits, as opposed to the movie proper.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I'm watching the "Rogue Cut" of DOFP right now, and wish this had been the version of the film that I'd gotten to see first (I also wish it had been the version of the movie released in theaters in the first place, because it would've unequivocally settled the arguments regarding Singer's faithfulness to the entirety of the franchise's pre-DoFP installments).

I also wish I'd been able to see the Extended Cut of The Wolverine first.

I've never seen the extended cut of The Wolverine since that's only on Blu-Ray. But I have seen the Rogue Cut of X-Men: Days of Future Past, and I have to say I think the theatrical cut is better. The Rogue stuff, while interesting in itself, is just too much of a distraction from the main plot and weakens the movie as a whole.

Again, to each their own, because it's easy for me to believe McAvoy's Charles eventually becoming Stewart's Charles, especially with the scene we see in DoFP where they interact via Wolverine's mind.

I didn't say that I don't believe it. It's just a more unexpected connection. With Magneto, Mystique, & Beast, their younger selves & older selves both seem to be generally heading in the same direction. With Professor Xavier, his younger self was, naturally, a very different man from his older self. Patrick Stewart's Xavier has a great reservoir of maturity that usually only comes with age. Can you imagine how much of a fuddy-duddy he would look like if he'd been acting like Patrick Stewart from the beginning?

When I was first watched Origins I was sure there was gonna be a part near the end in Stryker's lab when Victor like went up to Stryker and was like "I need to be stronger to beat him." And Stryker was like "I've got just the thing, I'm not sure what the side effects will be though" And say injected him with something that enhanced his mutation, made him stronger but also bulked up psychially and made him more docile. Not to be exactly like in X1, but at least giving you the impression he would eventually end up like that. I don't really know why they didn't do something like that. Unless they were gambling leaving it to an Origins 2, but it more comes across as "oh yeah they're different, who cares"

It's an interesting idea. I suppose it's entirely possible that something like that happened to him off screen during the 15 year gap between X-Men Origins: Wolverine & X-Men. But it seems like a disappointing anti-climax to their relationship. Hopefully, Wolverine 3 will give us a more fitting conclusion to the Logan/Victor storyline.

Not a timeline change, a retcon. They simply decided that characters which weren't created until later in the franchise's history had always been a part of the narrative. Most obviously, a bunch of characters they didn't conceive of until MK3 and MK4 appearing in the narrative during the events of the original Mortal Kombat game.

You're not meant to think that something changed in the timeline prior to Raiden's message, rather that this was the way things actually played out the first time, we just didn't see the role these characters played. Nothing actually alters in the timeline until Raiden receives the message from himself and begins royally messing up everything.

OK. That makes a lot more sense. It's nice to know that this pre-ripple effect idea is nonsense and not a key plot point in anything.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

I have seen the Rogue Cut of X-Men: Days of Future Past, and I have to say I think the theatrical cut is better. The Rogue stuff, while interesting in itself, is just too much of a distraction from the main plot and weakens the movie as a whole.

The theatrical cut is WAY better. I was blown away by this movie seeing the theatrical cut. The Rogue Cut is bloated and ungainly by comparison. It's not just the actual Rogue stuff, either, but the way they extended some of the other scenes combined with all that just makes the film drag and not hit the beats that propel the theatrical version. It's a case of good editing—lean, clean, and focused—versus just cramming as much in there as possible for the hardcore fans.

 

[Tosk]

All fair. I personally preferred having the extra character material over a swifter pace, so I'm glad we got both versions.

 

[Pauln6]

The only things I disliked about the Rogue Cut was the cheesiness of them interrupting a non-specific, pointless operation, and Rogue still being a scared teenager. They should have just extricated her from a power-dampening cell. Why do they need to dampen her powers, someone can ask? Because they've been using her abilities to enhance the sentinels. They've found a way to allow her to retain the powers she steals permanently. Smash the power dampeners and through the door bursts bad ass Rogue. No longer the girly victim but the split personality powerhouse, flying and shredding sentinels on the way out.

Now THAT would have been the Rogue cut. ;-P

 

[Set Harth]

(I also wish it had been the version of the movie released in theaters in the first place, because it would've unequivocally settled the arguments regarding Singer's faithfulness to the entirety of the franchise's pre-DoFP installments).

I don't see what difference it would have made in that respect. As I recall the arguments about faithfulness generally centered around the least popular installments, but the connections to those installments are in both cuts.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Even with the connections to TLS - specifically- that were in the Theatrical Cuts of DOFP, there were still people arguing that the film - or parts of it, anyway- had been ignored, and since the "Rogue Cut" includes more connections ro it and even directly continues one of the few remaining 'threads' left dangling by it (Bobby and Kitty's romance), I feel like having that version of the movie released in theaters initially would've shut those arguments down once and for all, especially since I unashamedly admit to really enjoying TLS and find it undeserving of the hatred it gets.

 

[ichab]

^ Even with the connections to TLS - specifically- that were in the Theatrical Cuts of DOFP, there were still people arguing that the film - or parts of it, anyway- had been ignored, and since the "Rogue Cut" includes more connections ro it and even directly continues one of the few remaining 'threads' left dangling by it (Bobby and Kitty's romance), I feel like having that version of the movie released in theaters initially would've shut those arguments down once and for all, especially since I unashamedly admit to really enjoying TLS and find it undeserving of the hatred it gets.

I never got the hatred for TLS either.Ive enjoyed all the Xmen movies in fact with the exception of Origins: Wolverine.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I don't think Origins: Wolverine deserves the hatred that it gets, either, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^ I don't think Origins: Wolverine deserves the hatred that it gets, either, but that's neither here nor there.

Honestly after finally getting around to watching TLS and Origins I don't get what all the hate is about, they weren't that bad.

 

[Set Harth]

^ Even with the connections to TLS - specifically- that were in the Theatrical Cuts of DOFP, there were still people arguing that the film - or parts of it, anyway- had been ignored, and since the "Rogue Cut" includes more connections ro it and even directly continues one of the few remaining 'threads' left dangling by it (Bobby and Kitty's romance)

People were arguing that DOFP was going to ignore Origins before they had even seen the film. It was just the typical kind of thing you often see on the internet: 'I despise this thing so it must be ignored'.

Besides Bobby and Kitty ( I forgot about that one, but one could argue that just having Ellen Page there at all is a pretty big connection to TLS either way ), what other connection to TLS is in the Rogue Cut that isn't also in the theatrical?

 

[JD]

I'm another fan of TLS. I have seen Origins, and I thought wasn't quite at the level of the first two movies, but I still enjoyed it.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

I never got the hatred for TLS either.

I've got four words for you:
I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!