The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

[Set Harth]

The thing about X-Men is I think I've been confused by the whole thing since Days of Future's Past came out. It was like the franchise split into 4 different areas and what used to be an enjoyable set of movies became something that became hard to follow.

Think of it as similar to what we see in the Kelvinverse Star Trek movies. Discrepancies aside, the core concept isn't hard to follow. Due to time travel, the McAvoy/Fassbender/Lawrence/Hoult films after FC are quasi-prequels but not really prequels because the timeline was changed. Logan is too cool for school and does its own thing, but can be made to fit into the new timeline if necessary.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

So, with the Fox universe winding down, we apparently now get tidbits about what might have been.

Screenwriter Zack Stentz said in an interview: My ex-partner and I, when we were working at Fox and working on X-Men: First Class, we did a secret movie for them that, I can't tell you what the plot was, but I can tell you that it used all of the characters, all of the Marvel characters that Fox had at the time in 2011. It used the X-Men. It used the Fantastic Four. It used Daredevil. It used Deadpool. Daredevil was still at Fox at the time. And it was a really cool freakin’ script. We almost had Paul Greengrass directing it, which would've been so cool, but he had another project to do instead. It didn't end up going, but it was a script I was really proud of and it would've been really good.

 

[Starbreaker]

I'm all for a total reboot at this point. Start off like the comics. Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Angel. Do it right.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm all for a total reboot at this point. Start off like the comics. Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Angel. Do it right.

There's no such thing as "right".

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I'm all for a total reboot at this point. Start off like the comics. Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Iceman, Angel. Do it right.

That's the exact opposite of right. There's way too many iconic x characters to just do the O5 and no one else. Especially in a franchise famous for its diversity (the O5 being 100% white, 100% American, 80% male, and 80% middle class to stinking rich).

 

[tomalak301]

Think of it as similar to what we see in the Kelvinverse Star Trek movies. Discrepancies aside, the core concept isn't hard to follow. Due to time travel, the McAvoy/Fassbender/Lawrence/Hoult films after FC are quasi-prequels but not really prequels because the timeline was changed. Logan is too cool for school and does its own thing, but can be made to fit into the new timeline if necessary.

That's fine, but Days of Future Past (If I recall) ends with Logan in the time of the McAvoy/Fassbender X-Men, so he is out of time. Shouldn't that make Wolverine very old by the time of Logan, or are there two Logans. I get time travel is confusing and all, but they really messed up the McAvoy timeline, which is a shame because FC and DOFP were really good movies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's fine, but Days of Future Past (If I recall) ends with Logan in the time of the McAvoy/Fassbender X-Men, so he is out of time. Shouldn't that make Wolverine very old by the time of Logan, or are there two Logans. I get time travel is confusing and all, but they really messed up the McAvoy timeline, which is a shame because FC and DOFP were really good movies.

In the comics Logan is very old. IIRC he was born in the 1800s.

 

[Skywalker]

I think the MCU X-Men would be well-served if they used Kitty Pryde as their window into the wider X-Men world, similar to how they used Rogue in the first FoX-Men movie.

 

[DigificWriter]

That's fine, but Days of Future Past (If I recall) ends with Logan in the time of the McAvoy/Fassbender X-Men, so he is out of time. Shouldn't that make Wolverine very old by the time of Logan, or are there two Logans. I get time travel is confusing and all, but they really messed up the McAvoy timeline, which is a shame because FC and DOFP were really good movies.

By the time he dies in Logan, Wolverine is 197 years old, but he looks youthful because of his mutation.

 

[Set Harth]

That's fine, but Days of Future Past (If I recall) ends with Logan in the time of the McAvoy/Fassbender X-Men, so he is out of time.

You seem to have misunderstood what was going on in the film. Logan always existed in that time. His 2023 consciousness was projected back into his body in 1973. He was also alive during First Class. Charles and Erik tried to recruit him then, and he told them to go fuck themselves.

 

[tomalak301]

You seem to have misunderstood what was going on in the film. Logan always existed in that time. His 2023 consciousness was projected back into his body in 1973. He was also alive during First Class. Charles and Erik tried to recruit him then, and he told them to go fuck themselves.

Well, it has been a while, but thank you for clarifying.

 

[Turtletrekker]

That's the exact opposite of right. There's way too many iconic x characters to just do the O5 and no one else. Especially in a franchise famous for its diversity (the O5 being 100% white, 100% American, 80% male, and 80% middle class to stinking rich).

Nah. @Starbreaker hit it right on the nose. Start with the 05 and build up from there. Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty, Rogue and the rest can come in the sequels. As for the diversity aspect, at this point I have no problem if they make some of the original X-Men black, Asian, Latino or whatever.

Wolverine should get a trilogy of his own that ends with him joining the X-Men at the end of their first trilogy.

 

[Thestral]

You know, black Scott Summers could actually be pretty awesome... and maybe he'd finally get to be a focus character.

Maybe go ahead and switch out Iceman/Beast/Angel for Kitty from the start, too, and add Storm? I'd be preferring to keep Angel since he's never really gotten a proper live action appearance, myself. Scott and Jean both need to say, imo.

 

[tomalak301]

I still want Jubilee and Gambit. Maybe redo Nightcrawler, do Cyclops well, and maybe a few movies focusing on Rouge and Storm finally.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Nah. @Starbreaker hit it right on the nose. Start with the 05 and build up from there. Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus,,Kitty Rogue and the rest can come in the sequels. As for the diversity aspect, at this point I have no problem if they make some of the original X-Men black, Asian, Latino or whatever.

Wolverine should get a trilogy of his own that ends with him joining the X-Men at the end of their first trilogy.

Make Angel a woman and keep the love triangle. Double the female representation and the lgbtq representation at the same time. Of course, in general, that would be a way more controversial movie than just not starting with the O5.

Anyway, that would make it better in an abstract 'sure, that movie could work someday' kind of way. But we've literally been waiting 20 years for a lot of these awesome characters to get any decent focus at all, meanwhile the only O5 who hasn't gotten any focus is Angel and Jean Grey has literally starred in 5 out of the 7 team movies. It's way past time for Storm's turn. And Jubilee's. And Rachel Grey's. And Magik's. And (adult) Rogue's. And Polaris'. And Psylocke's. And Blink's. And Emma Frost's. And Wolfsbane's. And Lilandra's. And Amanda Sefton's. And Meggan's.

There are WAY too many people still to get to to just start with five characters (and Xavier), four of whom have already had tons of screentime.

 

[suarezguy]

Nah. @Starbreaker hit it right on the nose. Start with the 05 and build up from there. Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus,,Kitty Rogue and the rest can come in the sequels.

An unfortunate thing is that most film series still can't get more than three films (or three films plus two or three appearances in crossovers), usually because the actors aren't interested in playing the characters longer. X-Men could have more potential to again last longer due to naturally changing casts but it makes sense that many would prefer as many films as possibly with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Xavier as well as Storm and maybe Nightcrawler and Colossus, prefer the '70s/'80s comics casts.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

An unfortunate thing is that most film series still can't get more than three films (or three films plus two or three appearances in crossovers), usually because the actors aren't interested in playing the characters longer. X-Men could have more potential to again last longer due to naturally changing casts but it makes sense that many would prefer as many films as possibly with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Xavier as well as Storm and maybe Nightcrawler and Colossus, prefer the '70s/'80s comics casts.

I mean, it's definitely a concern that has to be taken into account, but I don't think that entirely applies to the MCU in the same way it does to many other things (see Stan's 9 film contract, for instance) and I especially don't think it's primarily the actors driving the issue in regards to the MCU. Downey agreed to stick around all the way to 2019, but Marvel still chose not to make any more Iron Man movies after 2013. Hemsworth is here for the forseeable future, it seems, but I still remain skeptical that the often speculated Thor 4 will ever actually exist.

 

[Gavin70]

Hemsworth is here for the forseeable future, it seems, but I still remain skeptical that the often speculated Thor 4 will ever actually exist.

I agree. While I'd happily watch a Thor 4, I suspect we'll see him pop up more in other movies now rather than headlining his own solo movie. Given the setup at the end of Endgame it looks like we'll be seeing him in Guardians 3 next.

 

[PsychoPere]

If Marvel decides they want more Thor solo films, it appears that Hemsworth is open to the idea now, unlike his remarks post The Dark World.

 

[Teelie]

Another thing is they could recast the characters à la James Bond. Though at this point I don't think that will happen. Even if they did it with Rhodey.