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Are people looking forward to Dark Phoenix? I've been seeing trailers for it and they look pretty good but it feels like the buzz for it has not been very loud and it comes out next week in the states. I guess as someone who thought Apocalypse wasn't bad, I might go see this one. I've heard there has been some behind the scenes turmoil but I don't know the specifics.
I want to see it, but "looking forward to" might be a bit of an overstatement.
I want to see it, but "looking forward to" might be a bit of an overstatement.
I think that goes along with my point though. It feels like this movie is destined to fail, and having not followed much about what is happening, I'm wondering why.
I never assumed there were any massive casualties from X2. Like you said, pretty much everyone we saw cerebro used on survived, including the humans in the White House. It was a near miss, which would scare the crap out of everyone, but then, X3 didn't claim it improved mutant/human relations, either.
I'm not going to it because Apocalypse was a massive disappointment, I don't trust Kinberg's ability, and some of the actors were perfectly clear on the fact that this was conceived as a 2 part movie. And now, with the merger, it's being released as a single film. If I didn't trust their ability to begin with, I sure as hell don't trust it after they've been forced to condense 2 movies into one.
And also, I'm sick of Magneto being forced into the spotlight of every story they make. And the trailers at times hew so close to X3 that I feel like they're just going to make the same stupid mistakes again. Although, at least this time we know they can't replace Cyclops with Wolverine and there's no cure plot.
You may be thinking of the workprint.
That is sad. Just not in the way you mean.
tomalak301 said:
Because people want it to fail. Because Ivan Ooze.
Well, I didn't see this coming. Apparently, those reshoots for the New Mutants are still going to happen. The delay has been in being able to get all of the actors together again. Is it just me or did Simon Kinberg dis Fox and the way they did things just a little bit?
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If that's what they showed opening night in the theatre, then perhaps.
I even overheard strangers making fun of the effects in the bathroom scene that night.
That's awesome. Fox reportedly forced Josh Boone to tone down his original vision, but after positive screenings for both executives and test audiences they decided to give Boone the money to reshoot things to match his original vision.
It's the best case scenario for a movie being delayed for reshoots. And it's awesome that Disney is honoring Fox's wishes here. Good for Boone.
Speaking of reshoots, the ones that Dark Phoenix underwent last year were apparently because its original climax was too similar to another superhero movie - possibly Captain Marvel.
It seems like many MCU fans think liking that a lot means they need to oppose any other Marvel adaptation. That was more of an outright goal before the sale of Fox (have it fail so that Fox will have to give up the film rights) and even now they seem to want it to fail so that it doesn't make a big impact so that the MCU reboot can come sooner and with less baggage or comparison with the previous version.
Plus, IMO a much more reasonable reason, it is being scripted and directed by the screenwriter who already adapted the comic book story badly.
^ There are no "reasonable reasons" for actively rooting for something to fail.
Period.
Dark Phoenix's success or failure will have zero effect on how quickly Marvel Studios moves on integrating the X-Men characters into the MCU.
Period.
Dark Phoenix's success or failure will have zero effect on how quickly Marvel Studios moves on integrating the X-Men characters into the MCU.
Did I come across as an MCU Fan hoping that DP was going to fail? While I may like the MCU, I think it's absolutely stupid for fans to root for something to fail because they like something else. I think it's Stupid for MCU and DC fans, I think it's stupid for Discovery Fans and Orville Fans, and I say like what you like and don't spoil other people's enjoyment. The world doesn't revolve around you (The general you) and I just think stuff like that is just petty.
As for X-Men, I don't know if I will see DP or not, and it's not because of some MCU thing. The thing about X-Men is I think I've been confused by the whole thing since Days of Future's Past came out. It was like the franchise split into 4 different areas and what used to be an enjoyable set of movies became something that became hard to follow. Now I saw the first three X-Men Movies, didn't see Wolverine Origins or Wolverine, did see Logan, and saw the films with the new cast. I think the X-Men Franchise should have ended with Logan, because that was such a great movie and a great end to that whole thing. If they wanted to reboot it in a few years fine, but I think they squandered the new cast and just the franchise as a whole felt lost with Apocolypse.
Also, before the movies my exposure to X-Men came in the form of the Animated Series. It pissed me off so much when Cyclops was killed off, because I was like, "How can you kill the leader of the X-Men". Also, a poster above mentioned the whole Magneto thing and I agree with that. Can we get a movie that features Gambit, Jubilee, or even bring Rogue back? I mean Let's see some of the other X-Men from the animated series and be different.
Mind you, this has ZERO to do the X-Men, but that's not true at all. If, say, the Nazi's were to put a movie into theaters, I would actively root for that to fail. If there were a movie put into theaters that promoted damaging lies about prominent figures (Abraham Lincoln was a serial killer, Martin Luther King Jr. was a cannibal) I would actively root for it to fail (and as much as I loved it, The Greatest Showman got pretty close to that line, giving a rosy portrait of a guy who was kind of a monster). I get what you're saying in regards to this film, there is no reason to actively root for Dark Phoenix to fail because regardless of if it fails or succeeds Marvel is going to do what Marvel is going to do, but we can refrain from making blanket statements about all movies.
^ I stand corrected.
In my own defense, though, I was trying to speak in general terms about films or television series designed purely for entertainment purposes.
In my own defense, though, I was trying to speak in general terms about films or television series designed purely for entertainment purposes.
The thing is that with the MCU opening up the idea of a multiverse in Spiderman: Far From Home, and alternate timelines in Avengers: Endgame, they've given themselves the perfect opportunity to both reboot the X-Men and also keep any elements they like. Hugh Jackman, Ian McKellan, or Patrick Stewart feel like reprising their roles? Great. Need to recast other roles, easy.
Kevin Feige has already stated in no uncertain terms that he wants to start from scratch with the X-Men IP.
It might take 5 years or more to happen, but it's an inevitability.
THR interview with Simon Kinberg has a few interesting tidbits, For instance, Jennifer Lawrence would only return if he directed.
I liked this bit, and look forward to the outraged videos from the usual suspects on YouTube being recommended to me so I can block them.
I liked this bit, and look forward to the outraged videos from the usual suspects on YouTube being recommended to me so I can block them.
Yes, please increase the equal time if not more so. This isn't that hard!
To paraphrase Doctor Who: They took the long way 'round, but they got there in the end.
It's a damn shame it took them until the final one to realize, "Hey, these should be ensemble pieces like the comics!" And I'm saying that a someone who really enjoyed the majority of Fox's X-Men films.
It's a damn shame it took them until the final one to realize, "Hey, these should be ensemble pieces like the comics!" And I'm saying that a someone who really enjoyed the majority of Fox's X-Men films.
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