Damar only wanted to save his people.
I doubt he would of been to fussed at the genocides and other atrocities cardasians did against aliens.
The worst of the Villians
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I doubt he would of been to fussed at the genocides and other atrocities cardasians did against aliens.
DS9 did not spend much time dealing with the rank and file plebs of Cardassian society. It dealt with the top tier. And just as in our society, you don't get to that level without stepping on a lot of heads.
Damar started as Dukat's minion, he was then offered an opportunity (likely) by Weyoun that he took. Weyoun probably saw in Damar someone whom he could easily manipulate.
A minion who shot Dukat's own daughter.
That's not really my point, is it? The question was whether Damar started as one of the privileged in his society.
Still, Dukat wasn't angry at him, maybe because it was what part of him wanted to do. Damar was like the hand of the part of Dukat that wanted to kill his daughter for her betrayal.
There's not much evidence to the contrary either. The Cardassians treated the Bajoran like serfs, though that doesn't necessarily mean that they did that with their own people's lower classes.
For the Bajorans only and internally. That doesn't mean that the Cardassians treated them as equals. In fact, they didn't.
I don't think the Kai was that bad. She was just desperate for validation from a higher power. She chose goodness in the end.
I thought Gul Dukat raping her (through deception) and molesting her constantly was pretty diabolical.
I thought Gul Dukat raping her (through deception) and molesting her constantly was pretty diabolical.
Was Dukat worse than Winn? Sure. But Winn was never good. She chose spite and vengeance in the end, not righteousness. If the Pah-Wraiths had rewarded her faith, she'd've been in their corner till the end.
She acknowledged the Emissary. If she was just sticking it to Gul Dukat and the Pah Wraiths, she would have shouted "Sisko"
Nah, she's a weasel politician by nature. Her entire life was putting on a hypocritical face appropriate for the moment and that's all it was in the end, as well.
No, she had faith and prayed in her times of need. Gul Dukat seriously manipulated her...
She had faith in her own importance and lashed out at anything and everything that undermined that faith, in whatever manner seemed most cunning to her. Her entire crisis of faith wasn't even about whether the prophets were real or good but about the fact that they never deigned to speak to her specifically, as she believed she clearly deserved.
But believe whatever you like, I'm not going to keep debating this further.
The Female Changeling is probably the most evil villain Star Trek has ever had. She really hated solids and had no qualms about wiping them from the face of the galaxy. I'll never forget how nonchalant she was about committing genocide against the Cardassians.
Dukat obviously wanted to wipe out the galaxy too in the last season but he had serious mental problems so I kinda give him a pass despite how effed up that is. What he did to Bajor during the Occupation is his worst act and completely inexcusable but you could make the argument he was following orders.
Kai Winn can't be as bad as those two because she tried to stop Dukat in the end. She was a terrible person and did some horrible things though.
The Intendant is all kinds of effed up. I don't even know where to start with her.
Dukat obviously wanted to wipe out the galaxy too in the last season but he had serious mental problems so I kinda give him a pass despite how effed up that is. What he did to Bajor during the Occupation is his worst act and completely inexcusable but you could make the argument he was following orders.
Kai Winn can't be as bad as those two because she tried to stop Dukat in the end. She was a terrible person and did some horrible things though.
The Intendant is all kinds of effed up. I don't even know where to start with her.
I'd give overarching baddest of the bad to the Founders. Even though the Female Founder was the face we saw during most of the episodes, she was acting on behalf of the entire Great Link. They were xenophobic demagogues who had no trouble with the concept of selectively breeding entire sentient races to serve them. Both the Jem'Hadar and Vorta were evidence of that. And as though to add insult to injury, they don't even bother giving their "ambassadsors" a sense of aesthetics because it's not necessary for them to do their jobs. Fear that solids might try to destroy them is a piss poor excuse for what they became and the means they pursued to their ends.
Dukat was an overt malignant Narcissist. Every one of his behaviors and seeming contradictions can be explained within the context of that. Winn was a covert Narcissist. Ultimately, both of them were in it only for themselves. Any loyalties or beliefs they professed were utterly self-serving and about manipulating their own narrative to outsiders. Someone upthread said Dukat loved Kira. Not a snowball's chance in hell. He viewed her as an object to be won over for his own need to be adored and admired. He had zero interest in who she was as a person or how his pursuit of her would affect her. She represented all Bajorans to him, and he hated the fact that the Bajorans didn't see him as the great guy he wanted to pretend to be. Classic Narcissist BS straight from the playbook.
If they'd had the time and inclination to develop him more, I think Tain would have shown himself to be a contender.
Dukat was an overt malignant Narcissist. Every one of his behaviors and seeming contradictions can be explained within the context of that. Winn was a covert Narcissist. Ultimately, both of them were in it only for themselves. Any loyalties or beliefs they professed were utterly self-serving and about manipulating their own narrative to outsiders. Someone upthread said Dukat loved Kira. Not a snowball's chance in hell. He viewed her as an object to be won over for his own need to be adored and admired. He had zero interest in who she was as a person or how his pursuit of her would affect her. She represented all Bajorans to him, and he hated the fact that the Bajorans didn't see him as the great guy he wanted to pretend to be. Classic Narcissist BS straight from the playbook.
If they'd had the time and inclination to develop him more, I think Tain would have shown himself to be a contender.
Let's not forget that the female changeling, assuming "female" has even a sense to them. Sure she links with Odo and says that human sex was a pale substitute for it but so did Laas who was "male".
So let's not forget (as I almost forgot my point there!
) that the "female" changeling was just a representative of the great link. They were ALL equally evil!To be fair, the occupation would have been much worse without Dukat. He helped save a small group of Bajorans and make some of their lives easier. If it wasn't for him, much more Bojorans would have died. A different leader in his position wouldn't have had his merciful hand.
That's Dukat's side of the story, it doesn't mean that it's the truth. He's been known to lie.
