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The Worst Fan Film Award Goes To...

Encarta is very far from the worst fan film ever made. In fact, the last of the series has very serious fans. You are either a newbie to fan films are just not very dedicated. I suggest you spend at least six months watching the over 350 films on my website before you post anything like this ever again. You are making a fool of yourself. Start with this webpage:

http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/144.html

Then, hunt for stuff rated 1. Then, I encourage you to look at the Parody/Comedy listings. Finally, consider some of the less recommended films at Go!Animate.

Then you can apologize for this posting, and really really mean it.
 
deepspacearea51 said:
i found this "gem" (turd) surfing related videos on youtube the other day, star crap encarta the encycolpedia. just watch this video and tell me you dont think it deserves the worst fan film award ever, phase II for life.

http://www.youtube.com/ryanthewebber#p/c/41DF74F77F5EF686/3/4bjcrnFzTK8
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You determined all that from a three and one-half minute promo? You need to watch some videos that are REALLY bad and others that are REALLY good.

One of the good ones is Encarta's fourth episode, "Dark Hope." It's an hour and forty-five minutes long, but it's very, very good.

I agree with Barb. Check out some of the items she links to and Encarta will feel like great art since it's light years ahead of ones with the Enterprise model on a while string as it goes through space

Encarta is light years ahead of many early efforts, but one thing has been demonstrated in my viewing of independent productions: The creators learn from making each episode, and they get better as they go along at warp speed.
 
Putting aside for the moment, the question of quality of Encarta (which I admit I have yet to view), I think there are two points you need to consider, deepspacearea51:

1) This thread is reason alone why there should never, ever be a "Fan film awards" kind of contest, judgment, or entity. Every one involved in a fan film does it for the same reason: for love of the game, as it were. Contests are predicated on the notion that some are better than others, usually due to popularity. That might be great in some arenas, but I don't believe for a second there's really anyone out there who could judge any of these fan films without bowing down to the obvious popularity factor. Where does this leave the underdogs? In the dust. And that's no good for any of us.

2) Whether you like Encarta or not, your approach to critiquing their production is immature, ill-conceived, and downright douche-y. Grow the fuck up. If you can't say something nice, at least say something constructive.
 
doubleohfive said:
Putting aside for the moment, the question of quality of Encarta (which I admit I have yet to view), I think there are two points you need to consider, deepspacearea51:

1) This thread is reason alone why there should never, ever be a "Fan film awards" kind of contest, judgment, or entity. Every one involved in a fan film does it for the same reason: for love of the game, as it were. Contests are predicated on the notion that some are better than others, usually due to popularity. That might be great in some arenas, but I don't believe for a second there's really anyone out there who could judge any of these fan films without bowing down to the obvious popularity factor. Where does this leave the underdogs? In the dust. And that's no good for any of us.

2) Whether you like Encarta or not, your approach to critiquing their production is immature, ill-conceived, and downright douche-y. Grow the fuck up. If you can't say something nice, at least say something constructive.
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As the creator of said stated worst fan film ever, I have to say...Nothing.

Over the years many have tried to beat me down, but that's the nature of the entertainment industry. You learn to develop very, very thick skin, particularly in the fan film genre. Everyone's a critic, and they'll either love or hate. With that said, if I were still in command of the starship Encarta, I'd have fired every damn torpedo in my arsenal at these Alein Trolls!
 
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Here's the thing -- I've had my share of experience trying to mount a film, fan film, and other similar productions. I've seen a lot of fan films, too. Some are God awful. Others are great. Some are in between.

Based on the trailer supplied in the original post of this thread, I have to say I'm quite impressed with what you guys accomplished and were able to accomplish. I don't know if it's any good or bad, or if I like it (yet) but you guys by far have a lot to be proud of, and certainly moreso than any armchair critic who likely has not tried to do what you've done.

In short, keep on keepin' on. :techman:
 
really? troll?

no.

i'm entitled to my opionon as much as the next man, and if you don't beleive me you should watch the horse crap that is star crap encarta: the crappy motion picture. It's 5 minutes of my precious life I'll never get back. Just watch this thing http://www.youtube.com/ryanthewebber#p/u/0/4-UnmC3s-dk and tell me you can stomach it. 1999 was a good year, until this.

to randy hall: drink the encarta encycolpedia kool-aid much?

to barbreader: nice site, i'll be watching more and more of this stuff. but phase II clearly is the only fan film that should be watched by anyone. compare phase II to star crap encarta? you can't, it's incomparable! compare phase II to anything for that matter, it's incomparable. phase II rains supreme.

to picardalpha: i'm really sorry, it's clear to me that no one should have ever given you a video camera, or a piece of paper to write a script. i'm not a movie maker but i mean really dude, ds9 was on tv in 1999, id like to think you could have done something a little more... like that. its even more sad you come onto a trek forum to talk about this pile of, what did that klingon say to scotty, space garbage?
 
deepspacearea51 said:
really? troll?
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i'm[sic] entitled to my opionon[sic] as much as the next man...
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You absolutely have a right to speak, but no right to have that opinion treated as if it's worthy of respect or in any way equal to a well-expressed, reasoned criticism or analysis.

Generally, posts consisting of no more content than "This sucks!" are discouraged as unvarnished attempts to offend.
 
As a member of the Phase II team, I have to say that all quality fan films raise the stature of all other fan films. This is far from a zero-sum game, and you could make the same criticism of the earliest Phase II (then New Voyages) product. As someone who has seen the learning curve and the amount of time an dedication, not to mention treausre, that is required, I would suggest its a good idea to walk a few yards in the other guys' shoes.

The fan film community is about what CAN be done. It is about what IS possible. Walter Koenig said it best when he told the press/media during filming of "To Serve All My Days" that we are "activist fans," and by that he went on to say we put our money where our mouths are in order to keep Star Trek alive. We are proof there are more stories to tell, and that there are fans among us who feel compelled to tell those stories.

If there is something about fan productions you dont like, volunteer. Try to make it better. Show us and them what it can become. None of us could do that with the canon productions as fans, but we can do it with our own. Instead of approaching with a negative view, take a hands-on, can-do approach and be an activist fan too. After all, improving ourselves is what the Trek is all about, no?

--R
 
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just watched the dark hope film, what exactly is so good about it? please fill me in. the trailer was ok, thats only because they must have actually hired a real trailer guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfZD3styRj4

could someone please tell me what the big dark twist really is, whats so darker about this then say the crappiest show of all, voyager.
 
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You know, you're allowed to have your opinion, deepspacearea51... but you also should be self-aware enough that if you're going to be a raging asshole about it, people aren't going to respond very nicely, and certainly the people who you are laying your blabbering insults upon will react in kind.

I'd be very interested in hearing some constructive criticism from you... but if your recent attempts at discussion are any indication, you don't seem to have the capacity, wit, interest, or brain power to engage in such a discussion.
 
fine. whats up with the dark twist? what is it? where is it? they billed it as a massive plot event. dont see it. try to prove me wrong.
 
Learn to spell and to competently construct and punctuate an English sentence before you attempt to engage others in debate and challenge them to "prove you wrong" regarding a matter of opinion - otherwise, you're simply asking to be humiliated.

Thus far, nothing you've posted rises to a level worth responding to as one would an equal.
 
deepspacearea51 said:
fine. whats up with the dark twist? what is it? where is it? they billed it as a massive plot event. dont see it. try to prove me wrong.
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It's actually impossible to prove an opinion wrong. Some people will agree and some won't. It is possible to prove some facts right or wrong but that's not what's being "discussed".

Some people simply won't watch any production if it's not technically as good or better that mainstream TV productions.

I'm quite happy watching most of the main Star Trek Fan Films and while Encarta wasn't perfect and had some flaws, I enjoyed watching it.

I didn't like the death of a main character in Phase II but enjoyed it as a stand alone story.

Intrepid's first episode suffered from some sound problems, I loved it....

Exeter is excellent but takes a while to conclude ;)

Hidden Frontier showed massive improvements over the years and turned out some gripping storylines.

The technological advances since 1999 have been impressive to say the least, to compare a fan film of that era with little or no budget with mainstream $1m+ per episode shows is missing the point. imo.

As long as these shows continue to tell good stories and strive to improve themselves, I'll remain a fan.

Watch the ones you do like, don't bother with those you don't.
 
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