The weekly WATCHMEN episode sum-up
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Which is stripped of its context by taking out the rest of it. *shrug*
That’s really not How sentences or words work.
Otherwise I could say you are agreeing with me by keeping ‘mostly’ and ditching the ‘less’.
Okay, I'll simplify. I apparently agreed with you that one of the reasons Dreiberg wasn't used was possibly because of his affect on Laurie's storyline. However, I completely disagree with your belief that Dreiberg wasn't used because he was a "straight white hero stereotype."
But I also think that Dan's role in the heroes as a leader made him harder to fit in, and as Lindeloff said in the interview, they couldn't figure a plausible or "easy" way to link him directly to Angela. How would they hve even gotten him to Tulsa? I mean, they could have gotten him there, but would it have not have seemed "shoe horned."
But I also think that Dan's role in the heroes as a leader made him harder to fit in, and as Lindeloff said in the interview, they couldn't figure a plausible or "easy" way to link him directly to Angela. How would they hve even gotten him to Tulsa? I mean, they could have gotten him there, but would it have not have seemed "shoe horned."
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I just don’t see Dan as ‘leader’. He’s fifty percent of the Batman Archetype, and he’s the most clear cut ‘good guy’ in the original. Bati he’s a supporting player and exposition tool to an extent. I have zero problem with him not being in the show, or the reasons for why he isn’t in it, because I do t think his character has much to say in the storybeing told. Veidt and Manhattan are inevitable. Laurie is neither here nor there, but once she’s in the story in the way she is, Dan becomes even more unnecessary.
Huh. Well, that certainly was a finale. Just like with the comic, I'm going to have to take some time to absorb it before I can articulate whether what I thought about it. All in all, I think that Damon Lindelof pulled it off.
"Nothing ever ends", indeed...
"Nothing ever ends", indeed...
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I was expectedly disappointed that the ending didn't have moral ambiguity worthy of the original. Good guys win, bad guys lose, right down to Veidt belatedly facing justice. All a little too pat.
I think with this series it was about the journey more than the destination. The finale brought things to a close but its most powerful moments were delivered along the way not at the end.
Interesting finale, but I agree that the most powerful moments of the series were in the previous episodes. I agree that things were resolved a little too cleanly. At least let Veidt escape out into the world. That said I did like the way all the story elements came together in the end. I am torn trying to decide if I want another season or not.
I admit I laughed when it was revealed that the crypotowhitesupremicist senator had turned himself into chunky raspberry jam.
Wasn't all that true of the original as well, though? I'd say that I always got more out of the overall world/character-building than the climax.
Now we know what Doctor Manhattan meant when he said "I needed you to see me walking on water". He'd been dropping the clues subtly for ten years what he was going to do.
I liked the ending overall, but agree it needed some sort of caveat to the victory. Like, the FBI agent seemed more morally pure than she seemed for the rest of the show.
I liked the ending overall, but agree it needed some sort of caveat to the victory. Like, the FBI agent seemed more morally pure than she seemed for the rest of the show.
It seemed to me that Laurie Juspeczyk/Blake knew she was culpable as well if she turned in Veidt.
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Which brings us to Veidt's "confession" tape...I thought that was very contrived and out of character. The climax of the comic was all about keeping the horrific secret. I don't see Veidt boasting to the future president...or if he did, not doing so by laying it all out in a recording that anyone could watch.
As if any jail could hold him.
He’s a narcissist, something suggested in the comics. He’s forced to keep what he did a secret, so he needs someone to tell who he assumes won’t think he’s an absolute monster.
"Look upon my works ye mighty and despair."
But he had his "fellow heroes" to share with. And part of his narcissism is thinking that he's far above those he's trying to help...they wouldn't understand. His entire plan relied on secrecy. He even killed his faithful servants to that end.
A comment that Veidt made in the interview text in the comic was meant by him to be enlightening about Jon, but I think he was also projecting himself into it...the one about not having a preference between red and black ants.
A comment that Veidt made in the interview text in the comic was meant by him to be enlightening about Jon, but I think he was also projecting himself into it...the one about not having a preference between red and black ants.
Narcissism is actually needing to be seen as superior by others because you have poor self worth. You have to create a false image of yourself as intelligent, powerful and worthy of praise in order to feel like you have value. He needs to be praised and his fellow heroes won’t do that.
Although he left the egg (nice use of closing music !) Jon may have not entirely gone. He used the senators goo as a medium to teleport and it's not impossible that he used it to send something of himself.
After all, the cinema sign DREAMLAND was reduced to DR M at the conclusion.
After all, the cinema sign DREAMLAND was reduced to DR M at the conclusion.
Even if Veidt did feel the need to share with Redford, I think he's more than smart enough to have done it in a way that couldn't be shown to anyone and used as evidence against him.
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