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IDK - I was annoyed at the meme ending with her about to step on the water, and the obligatory fade to black. For something that was supposed to be new, fresh and not afraid to take chances; rolling out that tired and oft used type of ending - meh.
it reminded me of the ending to the comic. Will he pick up the journal or won't he? Will she walk on water or won't she?
Given Lindelof's history of how he end's stories, fading to black without answering something should be no surprise.
I didn't mind it. I liked how things turned out, in fact I was surprised that Dr. Manhattan didn't find away out, which was a nice surprise. Now the world has no God... or does it?
I didn't mind it. I liked how things turned out, in fact I was surprised that Dr. Manhattan didn't find away out, which was a nice surprise. Now the world has no God... or does it?
The actual point isn’t whether she’ll be able to walk on water or not, but what she will do if she can. Remember what her grandfather said about Jon. “He was a good man. But with all that power, he could have done more.” Will she do more?
I also hope they don’t do a season two and Lindelof has said that he currently has no plans to do so unless he gets an idea at some point. He doesn’t want to make another just to make it.
I also hope they don’t do a season two and Lindelof has said that he currently has no plans to do so unless he gets an idea at some point. He doesn’t want to make another just to make it.
You get the impression that many of the characters truly believed they were doing good, and some of them out of genuine compassion and empathy for the actual right reasons and not just out of narcissism. Angela and Dr Manhattan in particular. Just they couldn't figure out how to exercise power for good in a complex world without doing evil in the process.
Which is why Dr Manhattan felt so comfortable choosing Angela to get the power, she had the same desires as he did but could enter with the benefit of his experience and mistakes.
I would love to see a second season, but not by a different showrunner and only if they have as great an idea as they did for this one.
I think it’s less about heroes and villains and more why would someone become a masked hero. We get various explanations, Laurie thinks it’s because someone hurt them and they’re angry, Veidt thinks that they need masks to make themselves cruel, others think it’s to protect themselves. But Will, the first hero, points out that it’s fear and hurt. But by wearing the mask it will never heal, so you’ll be trapped under the mask. Fear and pain is what drives every masked character. All faced some tragedy at some point or at least felt they did in the case of the 7th Kalvary. Angela lost her parents and her mask is based on a movie she wanted to see, Will lost his parents and his mask was based on a movie hero, and Looking Glass was a survivor of 11/2 and his mask is literal protection for what he’s afraid of. You’ll notice once Angela learns of Will’s past and deals with her own, she begins to heal and no longer wears a mask.
I think we can assume with a reasonable amount of certainty, that the ruse Viedt created back in the 80's is over in this world. Laurie always knew but kept quiet. No way would Looking Glass follow suit. He reminded me of the real Rorshach in the end.
One of the plot points for a second season might be how the world reacts to their knowledge of the hoax. Will they go back to the old ways or find some way to maintain peace. I think this could be pretty interesting.
What did you find contradictory with respect to the themes?
After Lady Trieu killed the K7, I don't think there were very many people left on the site. Laurie, Trieu's mom, Trieu, and the cops. I'm pretty sure I saw cops get hit.
His purpose for being there may not have been clear, but his presence was explained. After he killed the K7 guys, he disguised himself as one of them and followed the trail to the site. I'm speculating somewhat based on what I saw.
I mentioned this in response to Locutus mentioning that there was no moral ambiguity at the end. Yes, what would make Angela any better a recipient of Manhattan's power than Trieu? I thought Viedt made a good point when he said that anyone seeking that kind of power probably should not have it. That may bbe a reason we were shown her "seeking" the power, but not actually receiving them.
Though you may have been looking for a political message here, I don't think that is what was being presented. The only reason Jon occupied the particular body he occupied was because that was the one Angela liked.
Locutus?
Mixer, sorry man. All these xmas name changes are getting to me.
The final Petey pedia entry indicates that despite Laurie and Wade bringing Veidt to justice, the Government is not going to let the truth out. Laurie is being debriefed at a secure location and all agents are told to disregard any rumors they hear about their commander-in-chief.
Speaking of, I was disappointed that they didn't follow up on Petey, who was presumably Lube Guy or whatever, on the show itself.
It is also implied in the final entry that Petey was Lube Man.
Hence my "on the show itself". It seemed like live action Petey was just an Easter egg for the people reading the Peteypedia entries.
How else could they end it? It could be seen as an ending or something to explore in season 2. If there is no season 2 (because who would want more money?) then it's an ending that leaves the viewer decide what they want to believe.
There's an official podcast available that has Lindelof on it. He goes into certain details like why Jon is so passive. He knows what's going to happen, but hasn't actually experienced it yet. Like with the women he fell in love with, he knew that he would fall in love and leave them by either leaving Earth or dying. But he hadn't felt the emotion of it. So the reason he went to the Crimebusters meeting is because that's where he'd meet and fall in love with Laurie and the reason he went to the bar is because that's where Angela was. Once he falls in love, it's retroactive and he always knows that he's in love but he hasn't actually felt that spark on an emotional level. He compared it to knowing about a roller coaster, you know what's going to happen and that it'll be exciting and you will have fun, but you haven't experienced it for yourself.
He also said that he'll only do season two for the same reason he did the show in the first place. There has to be a why and why now. For the first it was due to a lot of things he had read and wanted to write about and felt that it could work best in the world of Watchmen given the similar themes. He needed two years just to put it all together. He doesn't want to do season two just because season one was a success. If there is a season two, it could be years from now.
He also said that he'll only do season two for the same reason he did the show in the first place. There has to be a why and why now. For the first it was due to a lot of things he had read and wanted to write about and felt that it could work best in the world of Watchmen given the similar themes. He needed two years just to put it all together. He doesn't want to do season two just because season one was a success. If there is a season two, it could be years from now.
Also in the poster used to promote the show, Angela is mostly blue. It was always right in front of us.
Yeah.
It’s not so much that I was looking for a political message as much as it was a very ‘message’ show. Which I think was lost by the end. Especially when you basically have a war between two ‘masked’ factions (police and kavalry) being manipulated behind the scenes...you see the poverty the kavalry run out of, you see the kavalry group presented early on in very much an allegory of race-bent African Americans...but by the end it’s getting muddled and nuance that I felt was really needed is lost. It became very much goodies and baddies, and it’s very difficult to unpick a clear line on where it wanted to go, since it all felt very rushed in the end.
It was clever, it was a fun journey, but when it raised points it seemed in the end to only get them to half mast or backtrack on them.
I think ultimately, humanity shouldn’t need a new Manhattan God, but it’s in keeping that he has to have a resurrection with the imagery they built into that character...I think they crammed so much in, there was no time left to deal with it all in the time they had left to do so.
I was thinking the same thing. It might reflect the post truth world we live in where people choose not to believe the facts because the alternative would be to think the world was doomed. It might also be a way of undoing the Reford presidency and all the good he did, his knowledge of events would probably bring him down. Would be an interesting season.
They covered that on "The Good Place". The unintended consequences of good actions having negative repercussions that you would never expect.
The bomber who killed Angela's parents thought he was doing good by attacking his oppressors and trying to help his people be free of them.
While I want a second season and want to see the results of "Sister Manhattan", I almost don't want one because my version of the ending in "Lady or the tiger" fashion is probably better than what they will write. I'm still wary of Lindhof because of the terrible ending of "Lost".
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