The "We think nacelles closer together is cool" Thread
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I agree, the Ent looks a little bit like a caricature. But to call the TOS Ent "elegant" is really stretching it... That one has no flowing lines whatsoever. It's more clunky/functional then elegant.
I completely agree with Jarod. I think the refit has a majestic look to it. As for the E-design, I think the subject has now been exhausted as you either like it or you don't.
What's the next thread that the op is going to create ... isn't the secondary hull great? ... don't the shuttle bay doors look awesome?
Well, I am not a fan of the TOS Enterprise (I like the TMP design the most), but compared to the overall shape of the new redesign, she definately looks more elegant to me.
Lots of elements of the new design were jarring at first. I think the thing that was probably the most jarring to most people (based on the comments) was the girth of the nacelles.
For me the first thing was "man, those are too close together" followed closely by "and they're so... thick" followed by all the other stuff.
But their proximity to each other was also the first thing I got over and I got over it pretty quickly. If you're going to have line-of-site visibility of the bussard collectors from a front view and if they're going to be in view above the saucer rather than below then you're stuck with making the pylons a lot longer than you might want. This had always bothered me about the original design and the only solution I could think of was to shorten the neck. But move them closer together? That seemed like madness.
Until I saw it. Now it seems inspired. It just looks right. I agree it still looks a little awkward from the top but I think that's made up for by it looking better from the front.
Now, about the secondary hull...
For me the first thing was "man, those are too close together" followed closely by "and they're so... thick" followed by all the other stuff.
But their proximity to each other was also the first thing I got over and I got over it pretty quickly. If you're going to have line-of-site visibility of the bussard collectors from a front view and if they're going to be in view above the saucer rather than below then you're stuck with making the pylons a lot longer than you might want. This had always bothered me about the original design and the only solution I could think of was to shorten the neck. But move them closer together? That seemed like madness.
Until I saw it. Now it seems inspired. It just looks right. I agree it still looks a little awkward from the top but I think that's made up for by it looking better from the front.
Now, about the secondary hull...
Isn't the new Enterprise supposed to be significantly larger than the TOS ship? So then who's to say the new ship's nacelles aren't actually FARTHER apart than the TOS/Movie ship...? Anybody have numbers on this? I know there are some size comparisons out there...
Its ugly period!
Im glad you imported such great discussion into the thread...thanks.
I agree. The refit is the superior design.
The deflector dish is still way too far forward. 
Meh, I think the originals are a bit too anorexic for my taste, especially the TOS Enterperise (where I also agree with DiSiLLUSiON in thinking that it's more clunky/functional rather than elegant). I prefer my ships to be meatier* 
*The ST:XI could do with fattening her secondary hull
*The ST:XI could do with fattening her secondary hull
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I so agree with that. It's my opinion, but I think the Abramsprise is an ugly, bloated, disproportionate caracature of the original Enterprise. And yes, the nacelles are too close together. To me, it looks wierd. Not only are they too close together, but they are freakishly huge. The pylon attachment points are too close to the front, and I don't care for the curvature of the pylons. The saucer is too large as compared to the secondary hull and the nacelles when it is compared proportionally to its namesake. Some will say that I'm a hater. And that may be partially true. I hava absolutely no love for the Abramsprise. But it isn't just that I don't like the design. It has to do with respecting what came before. JJA and co. didn't do that. They created a so-called modern looking ship that ended up being a parody of the original that looks more like a kitbash than an update of the original.
Now this is a true update of the original design:
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Edit: And I'm sure I'm going to get the tired old argument that it has a saucer, two nacelles, and a secondary hull. Therefore it is the Enterprise. The problem is, that description is accurate for every Enterprise from the TOS version to the 1701-E. So which Enterprise does it look like, exactly? Becuase it sure doesn't look like the original. Not to mention that the description above could also apply to many, many other starships not called Enterprise. No, it should have looked like thr original. Not just a generic Federation ship that shares the same components as the Enterprise.
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Please don't hotlink images. Any images you post should be hosted on web space belonging to you.
Me too.I like them both ways. I like the original enterprise, I like the 2009 design. I'm easy to please.
I love the "hot rod" look of the new nuPrise though overall.
More like a Mustang Mach 1 & a '67 Camero.
Thank you for your objective criticism.
OMG- THOUGHT here in this thread? Who would have imagined? *claps*
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Thank you for your objective criticism.
You mis-quoted me as I never said that.
It would appear that the designer and JJ are overcompensating for something with those bloated nacelles.
Fixed.Thank you for your objective criticism.
You mis-quoted me as I never said that.
Chrisisall, do be more careful about attributing quoted material to the person who originally posted it, will you?
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