Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

[JD]

Well one advantage a bike has over a horse is a bike won't die on you

. A bike's tire could get punctured, or come lose, or the bike itself could be damaged.

Also zombies aren't going to try and eat your bike.

A horse can defend itself, and not to be morbid, and as an animal person I could probably never bring myself to do this, but a horse could be a distraction to allow you to get away.

Also a bike won't be spooked or run away from you because it gets scared.

A horse can be trained not to be spooked.

Another thing is if your following a specific path you could perhaps leave bikes along the trail as replacement rides in case you looses yours. In fact I would think they as a group would also be thinking about creating various outposts beyond the main communities area's.

You could also do the same thing with horses. You would need someone there to care for them, but that wouldn't be that much of an issue as long you've got people.

One other thing and this is something I only saw in "Mad Max" but wouldn't you if your trying to rebuild society try and find a oil well and get it working and start pumping new gas? To me the 3 things I would want to start off in rebuidling society is getting a oil well up and running plus a refinery and a place to make cars. I would think trying to take over factories and getting them up and running would be a priority so you can start rebuilding or replacing the old tech that will start to become less reliable and unusable. Or maybe one of those wind farms but I don't know what goes into making those things work. Why start off with a old fashioned wind mill when you got those more modern ones already built that you can simply repair and get going again.

The main issue with doing all of this would be finding people who actually know how to do this stuff.

One other thing is at some point wouldn't people take the Morgan idea of just going out and killing as many zombies as possible. I mean how many of them could their be and I am guessing for every knew zombie that is created at least 5 or more die or become defanged and no longer a threat on a daily basis.Why not speed up the process. Heck if you could get a ballon going just flying over a heard and droping a bomb would make a huge impact. Might not kill them but many of them would have severed legs or messed up mouths thus making them a non danger to humans.

Jason

I this would all depend on just how many zombies there are, and how often people are dying. I've gotten the impression from both shows that the vast majority of people died during the start of all of this, and then with the way things are people are going to be dying constantly, so I have a feeling that people are vastly outnumbered by zombies, so most of the stuff you're talking about probably wouldn't make much on an impact overall. It might take care of the current herd, but another will just be along a while later.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

In fact I would think they as a group would also be thinking about creating various outposts beyond the main communities area's.

That's what the Saviors had in place, but I think the heroes would not want to risk stretching their people out in that way, since Rick and Maggie only seem to trust "their people" in roles of that kind.

One other thing and this is something I only saw in "Mad Max" but wouldn't you if your trying to rebuild society try and find a oil well and get it working and start pumping new gas? To me the 3 things I would want to start off in rebuidling society is getting a oil well up and running plus a refinery and a place to make cars.

...and who among them has that training? You won't learn the process of manufacturing gas from a book, and regarding auto repair, sure, there might be some who know how to work on cars, but building them is out of their skillset.

One other thing is at some point wouldn't people take the Morgan idea of just going out and killing as many zombies as possible. I mean how many of them could their be and I am guessing for every knew zombie that is created at least 5 or more die or become defanged and no longer a threat on a daily basis. Why not speed up the process. Heck if you could get a ballon going just flying over a heard and droping a bomb would make a huge impact.

..and who knows how to fly as unreliable a thing as a balloon? Who knows how to maintain it, and its not as control-friendly as a helicopter or airplane, so if it the balloon was damaged while floating over a herd, the "pilot" is as good as dead. That's an unnecessary risk.

 

[Push The Button]

My theory on the helicopter:

Some other part of the world, Canada or the EU perhaps, figured out how to deal with the outbreak in time, and they are still relatively intact. The helicopter is part of a survey mission.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

^ Could be. Early in season 3, Rick informed the prisoners that--

"As far as we can see, at least half the population has been wiped out. Probably more."

--but there would be no way for Rick to have such precise numbers, only moving around a small area of Atlanta (at that time), or basing it on the opinion of those who were awake when the ZA broke out. That said, entire cities or states might have found a way to contain the walkers (or the virus), and never lost their power sources (and the people who would know how to maintain it), hence helicopters still in use, etc. TWD & Fear the Walking Dead do not cover the entire country, so anything is possible in terms of a surviving society.

 

[Trekker4747]

One other thing and this is something I only saw in "Mad Max" but wouldn't you if your trying to rebuild society try and find a oil well and get it working and start pumping new gas?

You realize that gasoline doesn't come out of the ground ready to be poured into the tank and used as fuel, right?

Gasoline is a product that is made out of crude oil by some process that'd likely be beyond the capabilities of our survivors. Point in fact, though, there's already been mention and been shown that they've started generating ethanol from corn, or other, oils and converting engines over to it. So, largely, the gasoline issue has at least been touched on.

As for the newest episode.

Quite liked it. Interesting events, shame for Aaron, but a good development for Enid.

 

[crookeddy]

On IMDB, this is the best reviewed episode since Season 7's premiere. I think this will go down as the less hardcore WD fans will watch on DVR, but it should still beat anything from season 8. Perhaps some positive signs for the new direction of the show.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I like Enid becoming their medic, but it does makes me worry for poor Siddiq, especially since Avi Nash (Siddiq) is only an "also starring" cast member, while Katelyn Nacon (Enid) was just promoted to main credits regular.

My theory on the helicopter:

Some other part of the world, Canada or the EU perhaps, figured out how to deal with the outbreak in time, and they are still relatively intact. The helicopter is part of a survey mission.

I've been wondering if it is a set up for The Commonwealth. I don't know if they have helicopters in the comics, but I do believe they are one of the more advanced groups they've come across, so if anybody from the comics was going to have a helicopter, they seem to be the most likely.

This was another good one.
I was happy to see Maggie letting up a bit on Earl. I'm wondering if the reference to going off with Georgie, the Key to the Future lady, was a set up for her leaving. I think I read somewhere they were going to leave things open for her to come back later, so having her go off with Georgie would be a perfect to have her in a possition to come and go.
Zack McGowan really does play a great doucebag asshole.
It's weird actually hearing Ann/Jadis speaking normally now.
Poor Aaron, but I am glad he at least gets to survive, I like him.

 

[Trekker4747]

I never minded Jadis much, even liked the goofy way she talked. But now with "Anne" she's become more interesting, especially with her relationship with Father Gabriel and the "sexually aggressive" way she was around him. Just feels neat.

Did I understand right, though, that Gabriel, the half-blind man, as set to be on watch that night but Jadis took his place? It seems pretty dumb to make the half blind man your look out AT NIGHT!

 

[JD]

Yeah, I was a bit bothered by that too.
I'm also curious if Jason (Zack McGowan) being attacked at the end is part of the building conflict between the more hostile Saviors and the others or the start of the build up to the arrival of The Whisperers. I'm pretty sure the other people who disappeared was because of The Whisperers, but I'm not sure about him.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Did I understand right, though, that Gabriel, the half-blind man, as set to be on watch that night but Jadis took his place? It seems pretty dumb to make the half blind man your look out AT NIGHT!

Hey, if you can send eyepatch-wearing Snake Plissken into a wrecked, criminal infested New York to rescue the president, or eyepatch-wearing Nick Fury can do all of those Nick Fury things, then Gabriel can handle spotting walkers or living enemies with his one good eye!

 

[Trekker4747]

I think there's a difference between Snake Pliskin, Nick Fury and Father Gabriel.

A big one.

 

[crookeddy]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/insert...-about-to-get-a-whole-lot-worse/#230ed9e9c704

Forbes thinks that Walking Dead is screwed. (Mild spoilers in there that we all already know)

 

[JD]

If that many people left when Glen and Carl left, it is a bit concerning to think what Rick leaving is going to do to the audience.
I am a bit surprised that ratings are so low, I would have expected a lot of people to watch to see the lead up to Rick and Maggie leaving.

 

[Push The Button]

I can’t wrap my head around TWD without Rick. This would be like MASH without Hawkeye.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I think there's a difference between Snake Pliskin, Nick Fury and Father Gabriel.

A big one.

By now in the WD timeline, Father Gabriel is a competent fighter--and he actually decked Negan (while ailing), so he's got some credibility among the eyepatch set.

 

[Starkers]

That was really good. I think what’s most interesting at the moment is that both Rick and Maggie have valid views, and both are amenable to be flexible, it’s just that there’s a finite limit to how flexible they can be.

I wonder who’s offing the Saviours? I’m guessing it must be one of them given the guy at the end recognised who it was, and didn’t go defensive (and I think it lets someone like Dwight out.) Clearly the plan is to shake up the Saviours to the point where they rebel and free Negan, or else someone wants to whittle down the Saviour numbers? Interesting anyway.

Was that a helicopter Jadis/Anne saw? I thought it was a plane tbh. Interesting that she’s keeping her secrets (and that Negan is keeping her secrets too, although I guess he might not know she’s with the community) Anne and Gabriel works way better than you might have imagined.

Enid becoming a medic is interesting, poor Aaron though!

I’m hoping Maggie leaves to join that woman’s mysterious group. Maybe things come to a head and Rick dies in the resultant conflict, this brings Maggie to her senses but she realises she can’t lead Hilltop anymore so takes Hershel and moves on to a new life?

I’d really like it if at least one of Rick/Maggie actually got out of TWD alive, and that’s the obvious way to do that with her.

I’m not an advocate of capital punishment, but keeping Negan alive is the worst idea ever! JDM has the charisma to be the show’s lead but Negan’s done too much bad stuff, the only way I could see it working is if the Whisperers were such an existential threat that Negan was their only hope…even then (and aside from some of his interactions with Carl) he’s never given any indication of the radical character change he’d need to make to take over from Rick and not piss everyone )fictional character and actual viewers) off!

 

[RJDiogenes]

Lots of good and interesting stuff happened in this episode. And it seemed like everybody got a moment in the spotlight, which is nice. Rosita got to blow things up, Enid got to amputate someone's arm, Eugene got to talk a lot, Gabriel and Jadis got to hook up, Tara got to tease Rick, and Daryl got to beat the living hell out of that Savior guy. Oh, and it looks like Carol and Ezekiel will tie the knot.

Maggie was playing hardball with both the Saviors and the would-be assassin, but relented in both cases. I liked how she was able to relate to the assassin because of her father's alcoholism.

Unfortunately, from the looks of things, rebuilding civilization in the Zombie Apocalypse will soon result in the next Human Apocalypse.

 

[Seven of Five]

I'm really enjoying this new direction. I'm kind of thinking there might be enough to hold my interest when the big things happen later this season.

Enid as a medic made me smile, that's something unexpected for her. I like how she was called into action the second she was left alone, in a very gruesome scene. Poor Aaron!

So not only do we have Carol and Ezekiel together in this new world, but now Gabriel and Jadis (or whatever she's called now) are the hot new couple on the show. That was another nice development showing people moving on. Was she hearing one of her helicopters in her scene?

I'm glad Maggie was tamed a bit in this episode, but I still get the feeling bad things are coming for her. I really don't want her to die as poor baby Herschel won't have a parent.

Oh Rick, why even bother talking to Negen, who I really haven't missed seeing. He's just going to wind you up so just stay away, let him rot.

 

[Farscape One]

I can see Enid being the medic for one simple reason... this is her way of honoring Carl, since he saved Siddiq. Not only is it keeping him alive in a sense, spirit-wise anyway, but this is a very useful profession in that world now. Frankly, there should be a LOT more people trained in this. Maybe that is the goal... start with Enid, then a few more, and later each of them take others under their wing until a good chunk of the population has at least some field medic training.

 

[crookeddy]

4.9 million for The Walking Dead - a series low! Doesn't look like there is any reversing the trend now. The show is much better, but people are still tuning out. The show is now headed toward a long painful spiral toward death.

EDIT - on second thought, maybe not. The series is basically what AMC uses to sell AMC premiere, which will keep the network alive if cable providers go belly up. Anyway, the show is either dying, or going niche.