The Walking Dead Season 3

[JD]

That's pretty amazing. I wonder what the appeal is to the majority of viewers-- the zombies or the quality of the writing and performances?

It's the writing and performances for me. I've honestly never really been that into zombie stories, but I love TWD.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Wow, seems we'll be having Walking Dead for some time to come. And at least the first Episode, if not the second episode's ratings were without DTV

I read that the producers are aiming for a 7 year run. I wonder if the ratings keep up if AMC will demand more than 7 seasons.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Good episode, although questionable tactics. Before rushing into the prison (once they took the field), why not just lure more of them to the fence, and stab most that way? They seemed excited to rush in and do it while under attack. After that, they should have ALL had a shield, as well. When the enemy can only fight hand to hand, having a riot shield seems like an obvious call.

It was an obvious call, not just for protection against zombies, but violent humans, too. The group should have picked up every shield in sight, adding to their defense.

And then in the hallways; why are we fighting in the dark tunnels, and sneaking around? Get to a nice big room nearby (with an escape, or a watchtower), and just make noise. We've shown they will come to you, let them do it. Don't sneak around waiting to be ambushed...

Well said, but TWD falls into the same poor scripting traps as many horror films: illogic is the order of the day, few believe in safety in numbers (particularly when outnumbered by zombies), and have no problem moving headlong into a situation they know little about (prison corridors).

It is false drama, and after more than 40 years of cannibal zombie films, there are certain survivor behaviors which need to be retired.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I know he died in the comics but its a shame they killed him in this too as it would of been good to see him deal with the current affairs although he did get really irrational and annoying especially with all that Lori crap, they should of got rid of her.

Her? Why? Shane was a murderous animal unfit for any world--with or without zombies. As an allegedly adult male, he had the power to drop his stalker emotions toward Lori the second Rick joined the group. But that would be the thought process of a rational mind, not a self-centered, violent mind.

Let's not forget his turning Otis into a nighty-night snack to save his own ass. Let's not forget he commited that vile act because of he thought that he was helping Carl--but that too was motivated by his idiotic fantasy of being a father to the kid and winning "sacrficial hero" credits with Lori (echoed in his final face-off/conversation with Rick in season 2).

Lori is not perfect, but Shane was a mess, killing when ever it suited him (wounding Otis may as well have been a lethal shot, considering the intended outcome, and then, there's the prisoner he murdered), plotted to kill Rick, and lied like he was getting paid to do so.

One way or the other, characters like that cannot survive the long haul in a zombie situation, as they generate too many enemies (his open hatred of Daryl and Dale), leaving the door open for death from any number of sources.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

On top of that, Rick was perfectly willing to let them stay and even risked his life and that of his people to try and help THEM create a safe place in the prison. Instead it became abundantly clear that Tomas was going to try and kill Rick the first chance he got.

Clearly. How anyone can turn Rick's act of genuine self preservation into being Shane 2.0 or a crazy dictator is kind of odd. Tomas could not be trusted, and was increasingly advesarial. Come on! He's a convict, so he does not necessarily earn the benefit of the doubt, and at the first chance, he proved he was not long for the world (Tiny's execution).

 

[RJDiogenes]

I think the popularity may have something to do with how original the idea is for a television series. We have never really had a zombie story outside of the movies before and even most movies spend minimal time dealing with the long term effects on the survivors. It is a fascinating concept that is well executed.

I hope so. But originality doesn't always translate to popularity-- in fact, it probably seldom does. And we've had post-Apocalyptic shows before. And WD isn't just popular, it's amazingly popular. Very strange.

It's the writing and performances for me. I've honestly never really been that into zombie stories, but I love TWD.

Same here. I hope that's the reason for the show's success-- too often, quality is punished and moronic crap rewarded.

 

[wissaboo]

On top of that, Rick was perfectly willing to let them stay and even risked his life and that of his people to try and help THEM create a safe place in the prison. Instead it became abundantly clear that Tomas was going to try and kill Rick the first chance he got.

Clearly. How anyone can turn Rick's act of genuine self preservation into being Shane 2.0 or a crazy dictator is kind of odd. Tomas could not be trusted, and was increasingly advesarial. Come on! He's a convict, so he does not necessarily earn the benefit of the doubt, and at the first chance, he proved he was not long for the world (Tiny's execution).

I was referring more to the ongoing theme last year of Shane accepting that the world had changed and they had to adapt or die, and Rick (and Dale) insisting they had to hold onto their the rules of modern civilized life in order to stay human.

 

[theenglish]

Her? Why? Shane was a murderous animal unfit for any world--with or without zombies. As an allegedly adult male, he had the power to drop his stalker emotions toward Lori the second Rick joined the group. But that would be the thought process of a rational mind, not a self-centered, violent mind.

Let's not forget his turning Otis into a nighty-night snack to save his own ass. Let's not forget he commited that vile act because of he thought that he was helping Carl--but that too was motivated by his idiotic fantasy of being a father to the kid and winning "sacrficial hero" credits with Lori (echoed in his final face-off/conversation with Rick in season 2).

Lori is not perfect, but Shane was a mess, killing when ever it suited him (wounding Otis may as well have been a lethal shot, considering the intended outcome, and then, there's the prisoner he murdered), plotted to kill Rick, and lied like he was getting paid to do so.

One way or the other, characters like that cannot survive the long haul in a zombie situation, as they generate too many enemies (his open hatred of Daryl and Dale), leaving the door open for death from any number of sources.

I agree with most of what you have said.

I think that in the real world Shane was just a normal guy. He may have lusted after his partner's wife and he may have had fantasies about killing people who made him angry, but I am sure that these are emotions and thoughts that many people probably have.

In the normal world, he was able to control these feelings and live within the bounds of common morality and the law. In the zombie world, once society's norms of limiting violent behavior is gone, these feelings become increasingly difficult for him to keep in check.

 

[Gotham Central]

Interesting Ep. For a second I thought that they were going to spend some time developing the idea of the Governor as a potential "good guy." NOPE!

Plus...does anyone else think that the unnamed black guy that keeps watching Michonne is going to turn out to be the introduction of Tyresse?

 

[Enterprise is Great]

The Governor is one fucked up in the head son of a bitch...keeping zombie heads floating in aquariums? And sitting there staring at them? What a sick fuck.

 

[EmoBorg]

The Governor is one fucked up in the head son of a bitch...keeping zombie heads floating in aquariums? And sitting there staring at them? What a sick fuck.

I 100% agree with you on that. Keeping heads in your spare room is pretty sick.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Maybe he watched B5 pre-Apocalypse.

 

[EmoBorg]

Maybe he watched B5 pre-Apocalypse.

Emperor Cartagia was another fictional sick puppy.

 

[WeAreTheBorg]

What the actual fuck? I mean I knew he was gonna turn out to be a baddie even without the obvious foreshadowing, but that's some psycho shit. I'm dying to know what the motivation behind that is.

 

[Gotham Central]

What the actual fuck? I mean I knew he was gonna turn out to be a baddie even without the obvious foreshadowing, but that's some psycho shit. I'm dying to know what the motivation behind that is.

Oh...the proverbial surface has yet to be scratched.

 

[EmoBorg]

What the actual fuck? I mean I knew he was gonna turn out to be a baddie even without the obvious foreshadowing, but that's some psycho shit. I'm dying to know what the motivation behind that is.

There was a photograph of his family in the last scene. We didn't see his family in the episode. Maybe they got killed by Walkers and that affected his mental state.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

That was an awesome episode, I liked taking a break from the main group and see how other survivors have dealt with the situation.

I haven't read the comics, but I have heard some things about the Governor, so for most of the episode I was thinking, "well, he doesn't seem to be that bad." And then nope total crazy psycho

 

[DarthTom]

Good episode. I don't understand what the scientist's role is though in the community? Is he trying to find ways to tame the zombies? Second question, why did the Governor kill the army guys? Were they a potential threat to his authority?

 

[trekkiebaggio]

^I think he just wanted their supplies and weapons, plus bringing new people in (especially military) could usurp his authority. It seems like he wants to keep a tight control on things.

As for the scientist I think he's just there to examine the zombies to learn about them, their weaknesses etc.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Yeah, that was what I was expecting from the prison storyline; I got my spoilers crossed. I had some misgivings about this idea, but so far I'm liking it.