The Walking Dead Season 2 Discussion *Spoilers*

[Dorian Thompson]

Rick got Shane off that bus surrounded by zombies and yet Shane was still going to kill him just because Lori started sending him mixed signals again. And he killed Otis. Shane's a little darker in character, dude.

 

[Silvercrest]

Were you responding to me? I'm not in favor of Shane at all. I was just commenting on the Shane supporters' double standard.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Oh, sorry. Knee jerk reaction. The Shane caveman fan club on the other board actually does find the situation of Shane/Otis and Rick/Shane morally tantamount to a great degree. And they're not kidding either. They really lament Shane's passing. More than several have opined that TWD will fail in season 3 for lack of Shane.

 

[Silvercrest]

"Shane caveman fan club"-- so true!

 

[RJDiogenes]

Maintaining a fuel supply without outside assistance wouldn't just be a problem, it's a show-stopper. Might as well say the space station is safest, other than the problem of maintaining food, air, water, and catching taxi rides...

In the case of McMurdo, it would be a show stopper, unfortunately.

The Achilles Heel of an oil rig is that it's connected to the seabed. As we know from World War Z, zombies can walk along the bottom of the ocean (and in fact, can cross oceans) and if they stumble across one leg of the oil rig, they could try crawling up it.

Zombies in TWD can't climb fences, let alone pylons or mooring chains. And, as I said, underwater zombies would just be buffeted around by currents and get stuck in the mud or tangled up in seaweed (I think in WWZ they just floated around until they washed up on land).

In other news, did you know there are still contingents of TWD fandom (mostly uber alpha male chest pounders) who are bitching up a storm that Shane was killed instead of Rick?

Sounds similar to the people who used to think that Archie Bunker was a hero.

 

[PKerr]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that had a WFT moment when Michonne appeared with the Chained up Zombies, what is she the Zombie whisperer?

I have to say as a comic book fan (never read TWD) I don't want this series to cross into that territory.

It's bad enough our heroes pull off perfect drive-by head shots, head shots on the run and even headshots in general most of the time, let's not start taking it into the land of the silly.

 

[wissaboo]

Oh, sorry. Knee jerk reaction. The Shane caveman fan club on the other board actually does find the situation of Shane/Otis and Rick/Shane morally tantamount to a great degree. And they're not kidding either. They really lament Shane's passing. More than several have opined that TWD will fail in season 3 for lack of Shane.

I lament Shane's passing. I'm not sure how the show will work without him.

 

[Ayelbourne]

Well, season two mostly sucked even with him, so...

 

[Dorian Thompson]

I lament Shane's passing. I'm not sure how the show will work without him.

Quite well, I imagine, if the Governor lives up to what I hear about him from people who read the comics. He'll be a better antagonist for Rick than Shane. Shane's death is the catalyst for realistic change in Rick's charcter. Dude, did you want Rick and Shane to butt heads over Lori for yet another season? More love triangle? A who's the daddy drama to play out? Not me.

 

[Reverend]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that had a WFT moment when Michonne appeared with the Chained up Zombies, what is she the Zombie whisperer?

I have to say as a comic book fan (never read TWD) I don't want this series to cross into that territory.

It's bad enough our heroes pull off perfect drive-by head shots, head shots on the run and even headshots in general most of the time, let's not start taking it into the land of the silly.

Don't worry, it won't. If you look closely you'll notice their arms and jaws have been removed. They have nothing to attack her with. I think Michonne says in the comics that after a while they gave up even trying to attack her. As for why she has them like that, short answer: remember when Rick and Glenn spread guts over themselves to blend in? Same basic idea, but less messy and longer lasting.

I lament Shane's passing. I'm not sure how the show will work without him.

Quite well, I imagine, if the Governor lives up to what I hear about him from people who read the comics. He'll be a better antagonist for Rick than Shane. Shane's death is the catalyst for realistic change in Rick's charcter. Dude, did you want Rick and Shane to butt heads over Lori for yet another season? More love triangle? A who's the daddy drama to play out? Not me.

Considering that in the comics Shane was killed by Carl way back at the camp outside Atlanta, I'd say they got plenty of mileage out of his character. It was always going to end this way though as you can't maintain that kind of antagonism in an extreme survival situation forever and...well...Rick's the main character.

For the record, I actually do quite like how they're choosing to stray from the source material. It keeps those of us who read the comics guessing.

 

[Random_Spock]

I lament Shane's passing. I'm not sure how the show will work without him.

Quite well, I imagine, if the Governor lives up to what I hear about him from people who read the comics. He'll be a better antagonist for Rick than Shane. Shane's death is the catalyst for realistic change in Rick's charcter. Dude, did you want Rick and Shane to butt heads over Lori for yet another season? More love triangle? A who's the daddy drama to play out? Not me.

I'm not a fan of the whole 'who's the daddy' plotline either. Glad to see that they didn't go down that route. It would have made the show that much more of a soap opera... and would have dragged things down unnecessairily.

 

[Cutter John]

Yeah, I think they'd taken Shane as far as they could go. Though for a time I was expecting they'd have him run off and join that other group and have him stalking our crew for another season.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Pretty hard to stalk a group that's locked down in a prison like settlement. I can see why TPTB decided against incorporating Shane and yet another group. I'm interested to see what eventually happens to Lori, knowing her fate in the comics. Realistically, how can they incorporate a newborn into this setting?

 

[Immolatus]

I kinda wish T-Dog had just kicked Lori and Beth out and continued driving to the coast.

would have kept beth around. for those cold lonely nights

 

[Immolatus]

I haven't read all of World War Z, so I'm not sure if this is covered, but I figure an oil rig would be fairly safe from zombies.

Nuclear submarine or an aircraft carrier might be another.

the only problem is, the family of the crew. I know if I was abroad an aircraft carrier It would drive me nuts to know what happened to my family, are they alive and were. Pretty soon you would have crew members telling the captain to drop them off on the mainland so they could find out

 

[Takeru]

Dude, did you want Rick and Shane to butt heads over Lori for yet another season? More love triangle? A who's the daddy drama to play out? Not me.

I would have solved the problem by:
a) having Shane snuggle up to Rick one night and have them both realize that Lori's the problem
b) Lori accidentally killing herself because she's a useless, stupid cow
c) Rick and Shane "comforting" each other and explaining to Carl that from now on he has two daddies.

Shane was a great character, he had to go because he wanted to kill Rick, but that didn't have to happen, the writers could have changed that, but they fucked up because apparently they think they have to follow the comics somehow.

 

[Immolatus]

I just rewatched the season finale before deleting it from my DVR and noticed something that might let Lori off the hook a bit. When Rick was confessing about killing Shane, she just looked confused until he got to the part about Carl "putting Shane down." Then she reacted badly and looked like she was going to throw up or something.

I got the impression that she was mostly upset about the idea of Carl becoming a part of all the insane violence (especially towards a guy he'd seen as a father figure) and her own role in the sequence of events leading up to it. Then, instead of blaming herself, she blamed Rick. Not rational but in a zombie apocalypse, rationality is in short supply.

Oil rig close to the shore would be my first choice, easily defendable and immune to zombies (well except for "home-grown" ones).

The Achilles Heel of an oil rig is that it's connected to the seabed. As we know from World War Z, zombies can walk along the bottom of the ocean (and in fact, can cross oceans) and if they stumble across one leg of the oil rig, they could try crawling up it. Not because they would know what's up there, but because in a swarm of zombies, you can count some of them to do any random thing that's possible. It's all about probabilities.

Anchors are a bad idea for a similar reason. Which may rule out ships entirely. Without an anchor, you loose control of the vessel and could run aground.

do you have any idea how hard it is to climb an anchor?

 

[sojourner]

Careful, she has a fragile ego. We may not see her return to the thread for days.

On second thought, go ahead.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Pretty hard to stalk a group that's locked down in a prison like settlement. I can see why TPTB decided against incorporating Shane and yet another group. I'm interested to see what eventually happens to Lori, knowing her fate in the comics. Realistically, how can they incorporate a newborn into this setting?

With all the location shooting and the limit on how long a baby can be on set makes it pretty impossible. Lori dies before giving birth or she has a miscarriage or the baby is born and then dies and becomes a zombie seem to be the likely outcomes. Either that or they jump ahead a few years.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

^I'm wondering about Carl as well, I think he's at that age where he's going to grow anytime soon. It might be interesting for them to jump forward a few years, but would they really do that?