The Voyager Conspiracy s6ep9

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  1. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Eye of the Needle?
     
  2. Bry_Sinclair

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    Assuming R'Mor was able to get the information passed along, though to ensure no contamination of the timeline they would have to be in the DQ before the messages were passed along.
     
  3. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Rimor was a nice guy.

    There were hundreds of Romulans on that ship.

    Not a war bird.

    The Romulans in general have no interest on securing a history where the Federation thrives.

    Janeway needed to give them a Romulan reason to secure history and not to deviate even an inch.

    I can't think of one, can you?
     
  4. Timo

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    Not lazy, but playing it safe: that's how you would write for the X-Files, the bestselling model for this sort of storytelling.

    There always has to be that tiny bit of mystery remaining, that blood-curling roar you hear even after you have pulled the plug on the tape recorder that was playing the fake Bigfoot sound, that movement of the curtains in the upper floor window when the heroes finally depart the haunted house for good. The tractor beam (or random glimmer in a blurry image) plays the part here. The intent is not to follow up on this later: the intent is to not to.

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  5. Akiraprise

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    Indeed. :techman:
     
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  6. VoyagerDJR88

    VoyagerDJR88 Ensign Newbie

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    The fact that Janeway had altered course over 200 times “in the name of exploration” was a little sketchy if her main concern really was getting the crew of Voyager home. Why all the deviations? Collected data on the species of the Delta Quadrant for Starfleet? You would think she would stifle her need to explore and just focus on getting her crew home.... now I’m doubting Janeway lol and I love her, oh Seven look what you started! :-D
     
  7. VoyagerDJR88

    VoyagerDJR88 Ensign Newbie

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    Good point
     
  8. NCC-73515

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    that was addressed several times. they're a starfleet ship and they're performing their mission.
     
  9. VoyagerDJR88

    VoyagerDJR88 Ensign Newbie

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    In the alpha quadrant yes not delta. Her priority should be getting the crew home without delay, shouldn’t it? Hence sevens point
     
  10. NCC-73515

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    starfleet's primary mission is exploration, not getting home as fast as you can ;)
     
  11. Timo

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    They were never going to get home by flying there. That is, they would all be dead of old age if they tried that one. So what they do is search for shortcuts, although of course in the general direction of Earth.

    They just can't afford to skip opportunities. And those never lie in the beeline: every solar system is off to the side by some degree. And checking out those calls for a course correction - although in most cases, it might add all of twelve minutes to the overall travel time.

    There's some logic to us catching the heroes at impulse when the episodes open, then. All the interesting stuff happens when they stop to cool down the warp core and have a proper look around with their sensors.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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  12. VoyagerDJR88

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    I understand that but they were in the delta quadrant and Janeway made many deviations from a direct course home that’s all seven was saying, I’m sure starfeet would understand sacrificing exploration And just getting the crew home.
     
  13. NCC-73515

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    how dull would it be to fly blind for 70 years with nothing to do.
    they joined SF because they wanna explore the unknown.
    it doesn't get more "where no one has gone before" then where they were.
     
  14. VoyagerDJR88

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    Well yes that wouldn’t make for interesting tv so I guess the argument is moot, it’s just a show after all
     
  15. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Seven's mind was unhinged enough during this episode (due to information overload) that we really can't take anything she says, or even sees, at face value. Up to and including the mysterious tractor beam.
     
  16. at Quark's

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    Sure, but we see it too, and in this scene with Janeway, Chakotay also confirms he 'saw the tractor beam' in the sensor material Seven showed him . So there definitely must have been something visually remarkable in those sensor records, and not just in Seven's head (though of course it might have been something else than a tractor beam)-- unless of course you'd actually want to go with the theory she fabricated the material herself! The image material is still there to be analysed. It would certainly have been interesting enough for the Voyager crew to try find out what it actually was, even after Seven's 'episode' was over.

    And, we also never got an explanation why Voyager did carry those tricobalt devices (which Tuvok confirmed was non-standard :) ) .
     
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  17. Timo

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    Ah, but that was my very point: exploration is the only way to get home. Without exploration, they just end up dying of old age in empty space.

    Well, Chakotay would join the ranks of those wanting to believe. For a brief while anyway. Without all the preceding argumentation by Seven, he might have seen nothing but a nondescript smudge there.

    Although I rather think there was nothing but an even more nondescript smudge there originally, and Seven then applied a dozen types of "filter" and "enhancement" when trying to better see the thing she solidly believed was there. So the smudge we see is the product of those filters and enhancers, and not real - yet Seven is not actively trying to deceive, and herself believes in the image that emerged solely because she wished really hard for it to emerge.

    Which is what I think they did, and they just found out that the raw image material contained nothing but the original nondescript smudge. Embarrassing Seven with it would have been cruel; boring the audience with it would have been superfluous.

    ...My pet theory is that Starfleet couldn't afford to give Janeway a full complement of photon torpedoes for this milk run of a mission, so they slipped in some of these inferior tri-cobalts which are only good for demolishing of static, unshielded targets, and were having their best before date rapidly approaching anyway.

    Timo Saloniemi