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The Ultimate Avengers

DigificWriter

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With all of this talk lately concerning Marvel's Avengers, stemming of course from the recent announcements concerning Marvel's upcoming film adaptation of the property, my own personal interest in the group has been rekindled. I was at the library briefly yesterday and was saw a couple of AVengers-related graphic novel compilations (Avengers Disassembled and The Mighty Avengers), which got me thinking about the various incarnations of the team that I am familiar with, and I hit upon the following question/discussion topic:
Pretend that Marvel is about to launch its 'Ultimate' imprint for the first time, and pretend that you're the person placed in charge of 'relaunching'/'rebooting' The Avengers for this new 'Ultimate universe'. Out of all of the various incarnations of the group, who do you pick to be part of this 'Ultimate Avengers' book and lineup, and why?

To start off the discussion, here's my lineup:
Captain America (Team Leader) - One of my earliest memories of experiencing The Avengers was through my elementary and junior high school libraries, which had graphic novel compilations of early Avengers stories using Cap, and he was always my favorite character.

The Wasp - Even though The Wasp was part of the Avengers group I remember from my childhood reading the graphic novels I mentioned above, it wasn't until I watched the Avengers cartoon from the late 90s that the character really 'clicked' for me; she's also the one female associated almost exclusively with the Avengers that I would consider to be 'iconic'.

Hawkeye - Hawkeye is another character that I remember both from the graphic novels I mentioned as well as the Avengers cartoon, and he's also always been one of my more favorite and memorable characters primarily because he's one of the few Marvel heroes to not be a superhero in the truest sense of the word, which makes him stand out.

Iron Man - Not only was Iron Man also part of the Avengers I remember from my childhood, I also watched the old Iron Man cartoon, and am a big fan of the Iron Man movie franchise. He's also another character that, along with Captain America and The Wasp, that I would consider to be an 'iconic' Avengers character.

The Vision - I remember The Vision most vividly from the aforementioned Avengers cartoon, but beyond that, the very concept of the character is something that I respond to very strongly, and so I think he definitely should be part of any 'core' Avengers group for that reason alone.

Giant-Man - Giant Man was another character I remember from my childhood, and it wasn't until much later that I actually discovered that the character had a myriad of other superhero aliases. Nothwithstanding that, though, my memories of Giant Man from the comics I read when I was little have stuck with me so strongly that that is who I think of Dr. Pym as being, even to this day, and it's the identity with which I identify the most.

Falcon - Falcon is another character from the Avengers cartoon from the 90s that I remember vividly, and was actually another of my favorite characters from the show, so he'd be part of my 'Ultimate Avengers' simply because of that, and because I like his powers.

Ms. Marvel - Ms. Marvel isn't a character I'm particularly familiar with, but I have checked out things about her and am intrigued enough by her powers to take a chance and put her as part of my 'Ultimate Avengers' group based solely on that. I also like the fact that her backstory - in the main Marvel continuity - ties in with the backstory of one of my all-time favorite X-Men characters, Rogue.
 
Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Giant Man, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

oh, wait, that's the team they did use...
 
Captain America must be a part of any Avengers team. No Avengers team without Cap should even be allowed to use the name.

Iron Man brings the political connections and the money.

Spider-Man because, and I know I'm in the minority here, I preferred the grown up, mature Spidey we saw under JMS.

Ms. Marvel because she's awesome. :p

Black Widow because sometimes a team needs someone willing to do the dirty work.

Luke Cage because the team needs someone to remind them that they're there to help people.

The Sentry because you have a lot of little guns, a few medium sized guns and one really big fucking gun.
 
Spider-Man because, and I know I'm in the minority here, I preferred the grown up, mature Spidey we saw under JMS.

Me too! But I think he still works better on his own or loosely affiliated.

The Sentry because you have a lot of little guns, a few medium sized guns and one really big fucking gun.

Blah, Sentry. :crazy: Give me Thor over that guy any day of the week for a big gun. Or bring back Ares. Nova would also work; between any of those three and Ms. Marvel, you've got your big gun covered.

Cap, Iron Man, and Thor are givens.

If we're going with a seven-person group (and why not?), I'd say Hawkeye, Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, and either Wasp or Giant Man as your main team.

Plus assorted folks that dip in and out from mission to mission, depending on the story. I like the idea of multiple teams for varied purposes.
 
For me, the classic team would be Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Yellowjacket, Vision and Scarlet Witch. With a small handful of others coming and going. The time was when being an Avenger was something special; now it seems like everyone has been an Avenger at some point.
 
I am biased in favor of the real Marvelverse. I have never liked the Ultimate line. But each to their own.
 
I'd go with Cap, Iron Man, Wasp, Some-Pym-incarnation and probably Ms. Marvel (cos Frank Cho draws her really hot).

Hulk was there in the beginning, wasn't he?! And he's marvelously (if you'll pardon the pun) used in the Marvel Adventures Avengers lineup (which is Cap, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Storm, Giant-Girl). However I think it might be more difficult in the movie.

Can't stand Hawkeye (only real exposure to him is from the Essential Avengers line and he is such a big jerk that I would probably hit him if he were real). The original characters for Wasp and Black Widow were so shallow that I really don't want the *true-original* flavor here. Even Cap was a little bit of a jerk in the early eps.
 
I'd go with Cap, Iron Man, Wasp, Some-Pym-incarnation and probably Ms. Marvel (cos Frank Cho draws her really hot).

Hulk was there in the beginning, wasn't he?! And he's marvelously (if you'll pardon the pun) used in the Marvel Adventures Avengers lineup (which is Cap, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Storm, Giant-Girl). However I think it might be more difficult in the movie.

Isn't he slated to be the villain in the Avengers movie? Or are they going with the Loki framed Hulk storyline from the original Avengers origin?
 
A lineup I'd like to see that'll never happen:

Black Panther* running the team, with Hank Pym, (the actual) Wasp, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Noh-Varr (Marvel Boy), Ms. Marvel and Quicksilver (Scarlet Witch not required--I like Wanda and all, but she is possibly the MU's most broken character besides the Sentry, roughly equivalent to the DCU's Zatanna in that regard).

*I guess Storm would have to be around too, and it'd have to revolve somehow around T'Challa losing the Wakandan throne. This would actually probably be all right, as I'd like to have more chicks, but can't really think of anyone else.

Also, at least one person would have to be resurrected.
 
I'd go with Cap, Iron Man, Wasp, Some-Pym-incarnation and probably Ms. Marvel (cos Frank Cho draws her really hot).

Hulk was there in the beginning, wasn't he?! And he's marvelously (if you'll pardon the pun) used in the Marvel Adventures Avengers lineup (which is Cap, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Storm, Giant-Girl). However I think it might be more difficult in the movie.

Isn't he slated to be the villain in the Avengers movie? Or are they going with the Loki framed Hulk storyline from the original Avengers origin?

I thought it was going to be the surfacing of Cap America that would frame the movie. (Which one is coming out first? Cap or Avengers?) I really don't see Hulk as a true villain in the movie. I guess, Hulk in his smashin' mood might be at cross-purposes with the Avengers (so that they can use the Avengers Assemble cry) but I think he'd join in the team to fight the real bad guys. (You wouldn't want the Avengers to lose in their first movie, would you?!)

However, long-term, Hulk and Bruce Banner are both loners. They don't really work well in a team atmosphere. (Except in Marvel Adventures! It's a total riot to read those...). Maybe Bruce Banner will be like the DC Bruce - somebody who will be an Avenger only if needed.
 
My dream Avengers team would be thus:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Spider-Man
Ms. Marvel
Hawkeye
Black Widow
Wasp


A large team but all of them picked for various reasons by the big three...I'd have reserve members ready to activate in Spider-Woman, Vision, and Scarlett Witch.
 
Me too! But I think he still works better on his own or loosely affiliated.

It's not just about how Spidey sees himself, but how everyone else sees him. It always comes back to that scene in Secret Wars for me he just makes fools out of the X-Men. Then he gets in to a fight with Titania and just humiliates her despite her being much stronger than him.

Spider-Man is awesome, his peers know that more than he does. Why wouldn't Cap want him on his team ?

Blah, Sentry. :crazy: Give me Thor over that guy any day of the week for a big gun. Or bring back Ares. Nova would also work; between any of those three and Ms. Marvel, you've got your big gun covered.

The Sentry would be the weapon they use when they have no other choice. Everyone else can't be considered a big gun when he's around.

Plus assorted folks that dip in and out from mission to mission, depending on the story. I like the idea of multiple teams for varied purposes.

Yeah, definitely. You aren't going to send Tony in on a mission that needs to be handled quietly, after all.
 
Me too! But I think he still works better on his own or loosely affiliated.

It's not just about how Spidey sees himself, but how everyone else sees him. It always comes back to that scene in Secret Wars for me he just makes fools out of the X-Men. Then he gets in to a fight with Titania and just humiliates her despite her being much stronger than him.

Spider-Man is awesome, his peers know that more than he does. Why wouldn't Cap want him on his team ?

You've got a good point, it's more of a preference thing for me. I just think Spidey works best on his own primarily with occasional team-ups. Maybe as a reserve Avenger, or one who's called upon for certain types of missions rather than being part of the "primary" team.

Blah, Sentry. :crazy: Give me Thor over that guy any day of the week for a big gun. Or bring back Ares. Nova would also work; between any of those three and Ms. Marvel, you've got your big gun covered.

The Sentry would be the weapon they use when they have no other choice. Everyone else can't be considered a big gun when he's around.

No, I understand the reasoning from a "powers" perspective. I just genuinely don't care for the Sentry, and "walking last resort" isn't enough reason for me to want him on a team. If that's the reasoning, I'd rather Worldbreaker-Hulk-On-Cue. Or Doctor Strange (as Sorceror Supreme of course) for that matter, and he at least can work within a team well.

Plus assorted folks that dip in and out from mission to mission, depending on the story. I like the idea of multiple teams for varied purposes.
Yeah, definitely. You aren't going to send Tony in on a mission that needs to be handled quietly, after all.

Just makes me wonder what the "Secret" part of Secret Avengers is supposed to be with War Machine on the team. :devil:
 
Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hawkeye
Quicksilver
The Vision
The Scarlet Witch

(Oddly enough, these were the Avengers I was first introduced to, in The Uncanny X-Men during the Onslaught crossover in the mid-90s.)
 
The Sentry would be the weapon they use when they have no other choice. Everyone else can't be considered a big gun when he's around.

Sentry the "Super Druggy" is a PoS character that never should have been created. He should be retconned back into the nothingness from whence he came ASAP.

As for my lineup for a "modern" Avengers (NEVER Ultimates, because that universe is an afrront to superheroism in general):

Cap
Thor
Iron Man
Giant Man
Wasp
Justice
Firestar
 
If you're talking about movies, I'm thinking that on screen what we're going to get is "The Ultimates" - Cap, Thor, Iron Man, the Pyms, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Witch, some random souped-up redshirts, all led by Fury.

With Hulk as the first "villain". I'd put money on it. Everything we've seen in the movies points to them using the Ultimate universe.

I actually rather like that lineup, come to think of it.
 
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