I just watched "The Tholian Web" on Heroes & Icons.
I thought that there was a line of dialog missing from where I remember it but now I can't remember what it was or where it wasn't spoken.
I remember there was one episode where crew members were aboard another starship with everyone dead and there seemed to be 2 different engineering rooms on that ship. Since that scene wasn't in "The Tholian Web" it would have to be "The Doomsday Machine" or "The Omega Glory".
After fighting with the Tholians, there is a memorial service for Captain Kirk. Spock says:
So Spock seems to believe that Captain Kirk, if he was still alive, was certainly killed or doomed by the damage to space caused by the battle with the Tholians. Spock states that Kirk's death was a fact.
And yet some time later Scott says:
And Spock replies:
So by then Spock has calculated when the next interphase and chance to recover Kirk will happen.
And a few minutes later when the next interphase happens Spock says:
So Spock knows when Kirk will run out of oxygen.
So it seems to me that Spock could have calculated there was a chance that Kirk still alive instead of declaring Kirk dead at the memorial service. Perhaps Spock decided that after the battle with the Tholians the odds of saving the captain were so small there was no point in keeping up any false hopes among the crew. But it still seems very unscientific of Spock to state that Kirk was dead when it was still possible for Kirk to be alive and it turns out Kirk was still alive.
Another way in which Spock seems to be a bit imprecise is after the fight with Loskene's ship. Spock says:
Spock's statement seems to imply that the Tholian ship was disabled. And right after that another Tholian ship appears and the two ships begin to weave "the Tholian Web". Later, at Kirk's memorial service Spock says:
So Spock said that Loskene's ship had been disabled, while that ship was helping the other Tholian ship spin the Tholian web around the Enterprise, a web Spock had already said could trap them there forever:
So Loskene's ship doesn't seem disabled enough for the good of the Enterprise, but still capable of helping to trap it.
So does anyone else think that Spock is speaking a bit imprecisely in this episode?
I thought that there was a line of dialog missing from where I remember it but now I can't remember what it was or where it wasn't spoken.
I remember there was one episode where crew members were aboard another starship with everyone dead and there seemed to be 2 different engineering rooms on that ship. Since that scene wasn't in "The Tholian Web" it would have to be "The Doomsday Machine" or "The Omega Glory".
After fighting with the Tholians, there is a memorial service for Captain Kirk. Spock says:
SPOCK: A few hours ago, the Captain elected to remain on board the Defiant so that three members of this crew would have the best chance of returning safely to the Enterprise. His concern was not only for them, but for all the members of the crew of this ship. You all know the sequence of events. We were fired upon by the Tholian ship. At that time, Captain Kirk may have been alive. I deemed it necessary to return the Tholian fire for the safety of the Enterprise. The Tholian ship has been disabled. But as a result of the battle, we must accept the fact that Captain Kirk is no longer alive.
So Spock seems to believe that Captain Kirk, if he was still alive, was certainly killed or doomed by the damage to space caused by the battle with the Tholians. Spock states that Kirk's death was a fact.
And yet some time later Scott says:
SCOTT: Then your fears about that phaser were correct. It blasted a hole right through that crazy space fabric, and only heaven knows where it sent the Defiant.
And Spock replies:
SPOCK: Exactly. But the Captain remained. Only the overlap time changed. The next interphase will occur here.
So by then Spock has calculated when the next interphase and chance to recover Kirk will happen.
And a few minutes later when the next interphase happens Spock says:
SPOCK [OC]: The Captain's oxygen supply is running out now. Are you standing by with a hypo of tri-ox compound for him?
So Spock knows when Kirk will run out of oxygen.
So it seems to me that Spock could have calculated there was a chance that Kirk still alive instead of declaring Kirk dead at the memorial service. Perhaps Spock decided that after the battle with the Tholians the odds of saving the captain were so small there was no point in keeping up any false hopes among the crew. But it still seems very unscientific of Spock to state that Kirk was dead when it was still possible for Kirk to be alive and it turns out Kirk was still alive.
Another way in which Spock seems to be a bit imprecise is after the fight with Loskene's ship. Spock says:
SPOCK: The decision to fight was logical. Lack of time prevented any other course of action. The Tholian ship had to be disabled.
Spock's statement seems to imply that the Tholian ship was disabled. And right after that another Tholian ship appears and the two ships begin to weave "the Tholian Web". Later, at Kirk's memorial service Spock says:
SPOCK: A few hours ago, the Captain elected to remain on board the Defiant so that three members of this crew would have the best chance of returning safely to the Enterprise. His concern was not only for them, but for all the members of the crew of this ship. You all know the sequence of events. We were fired upon by the Tholian ship. At that time, Captain Kirk may have been alive. I deemed it necessary to return the Tholian fire for the safety of the Enterprise. The Tholian ship has been disabled. But as a result of the battle, we must accept the fact that Captain Kirk is no longer alive.
So Spock said that Loskene's ship had been disabled, while that ship was helping the other Tholian ship spin the Tholian web around the Enterprise, a web Spock had already said could trap them there forever:
SPOCK: There's no analogy to this structure in Federation technology. It is, however, an energy field, and if the Tholians are successful in completing this structure before we have completed our repairs, we shall not see home again.
So Loskene's ship doesn't seem disabled enough for the good of the Enterprise, but still capable of helping to trap it.
So does anyone else think that Spock is speaking a bit imprecisely in this episode?