"The third great SF franchise"??
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Batman is always classified as action/adventure, not science fiction. And this thread is about SF franchises.
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Comic Book movies and shows like Batman, Guardians of the Galaxy, Dredd, Men In Black, Akira, Dark Matter all of these I would rank as scifi
Ninja Turtles, Oldboy, the Hulk, Superman, Kick-Ass, Jonah Hex, Blade, Sin City, Captain Marvel, the Walking Dead I rank as fantasy
watch Dredd, its an impressive movie
to say a comicbook movie is not scifi is just wrong
Ninja Turtles, Oldboy, the Hulk, Superman, Kick-Ass, Jonah Hex, Blade, Sin City, Captain Marvel, the Walking Dead I rank as fantasy
watch Dredd, its an impressive movie
to say a comicbook movie is not scifi is just wrong
Superman would have a strong case to be classed as Sci-Fi seeing as we are dealing with an Alien, but do we see it as action/adventure more than SF.
Films/TV/etc.. can cross more than one genre but they still tend to have a genre they are most associsated with.
And of course depending on where you are in the world one show/seires might have greater prominance than others esp. if those are imports.
Films/TV/etc.. can cross more than one genre but they still tend to have a genre they are most associsated with.
And of course depending on where you are in the world one show/seires might have greater prominance than others esp. if those are imports.
Regarding "Gundam", there was an attempt to bring it to the states around 2000, and it was initially successful with Gundam Wing, but unfortunately due to some circumstances-airing the somewhat dated original series, for one (which is still pretty good, but complicated as it has many sequels), and some other mismanagement of the property, it kind of fizzled out.
The toy line and of course model kit line are still extremely popular in Japan, as are the various TV/movie series (although there was a bit of a dry spell in the late 90s/early 2000s before SEED arrived).
Over here though, it's sort of been slowly re-emerging, but more in the niche markets than the big push they made a decade and a half ago.
The toy line and of course model kit line are still extremely popular in Japan, as are the various TV/movie series (although there was a bit of a dry spell in the late 90s/early 2000s before SEED arrived).
Over here though, it's sort of been slowly re-emerging, but more in the niche markets than the big push they made a decade and a half ago.
Speaking as a Brit I can tell you that currently, it'd probably be 1 Star Wars, 2 Doctor Who, 3 Marvel/DC, 4 Star Trek. Star Trek's influence has waned of late (sadly) but hopefully Star Trek Discovery will change that. (Personally, my top three would be Trek, Who, Stargate).
I'd argue that DC and Marvel would be high up there (although I realise that's a controversial opinion that's already been discussed at length.)
Obviously in the US, there's going to be a different take on it because Doctor Who isn't as popular as it is in the rest of the world (although I'd admit that the US fans I've heard of are probably more passionate about it than the UK fans). In 2013, you couldn't move for 50th anniversary celebrations of the show. More than can be said about Trek's 50th. Is it fantasy? Probably? But then so's Star Wars. Plus, Doctor Who is the only TV show that gets its own dedicated forum in the sci-fi/fantasy section of this very site. Star Wars, of course being primarily a movie series.
I completely agree that the Gerry Anderson creations have got a franchise on their own, but one that reigned supreme in the 60s and has had some success in reboots and updates since then.
I'd argue that DC and Marvel would be high up there (although I realise that's a controversial opinion that's already been discussed at length.)
Obviously in the US, there's going to be a different take on it because Doctor Who isn't as popular as it is in the rest of the world (although I'd admit that the US fans I've heard of are probably more passionate about it than the UK fans). In 2013, you couldn't move for 50th anniversary celebrations of the show. More than can be said about Trek's 50th. Is it fantasy? Probably? But then so's Star Wars. Plus, Doctor Who is the only TV show that gets its own dedicated forum in the sci-fi/fantasy section of this very site. Star Wars, of course being primarily a movie series.
I completely agree that the Gerry Anderson creations have got a franchise on their own, but one that reigned supreme in the 60s and has had some success in reboots and updates since then.
I'm not personally a fan, but it's hard to discount the popularity and cultural awareness of Doctor Who, which really is on par with that of Star Trek and Star Wars.
In terms of Fantasy franchises with the same amount of popularity and cultural awareness as Trek, Wars, and Who, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are legitimately the only two answers.
In terms of Fantasy franchises with the same amount of popularity and cultural awareness as Trek, Wars, and Who, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are legitimately the only two answers.
^ Yeah, GoT is getting close to being the third greatest Fantasy franchise out there, but isn't quite there yet.
In the spirit of the OP, I believe you need to discount fantasy that isn't in space and isn't in the global public's shared consciousness as "science fiction". Fans arguing about it isn't the point. It's the much vaster number of people who would only consider the franchise as sci fi that that even they recognise.
In that circumstance I don't think there is a third. If Avatar ever returns with the success of the first, then perhaps it might be.
In that circumstance I don't think there is a third. If Avatar ever returns with the success of the first, then perhaps it might be.
Since the first JP was the most successful movie of all time when it came out (until Titanic a few years later) and JW was the third most successful (until Star Wars a few months later) I'd say Jurassic Park is a strong contender.
I'd argue though that Back to the Future deserves the spot though. It may not be as financially successful as some of the other franchises mentioned, but it's filled with moments that are still iconic to this day. From lines to images to props, and of course the DeLorean would have faded to obscurity without it. I can't think of many sci-fi franchises that are still as instantly recognizable.
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Both Jurassic Park and Back to the Future, while undoubtedly popular, don't really have a fanbase that incessantly discusses them, nitpicks every tiny detail, makes wild theories, and so forth.
I think for a franchise to be considered on par with ST and SW(or at least somewhere near) it has to generate some kind of engagement that goes beyond just enjoyment of the series.
Both Jurassic Park and Back to the Future, while undoubtedly popular, don't really have a fanbase that incessantly discusses them, nitpicks every tiny detail, makes wild theories, and so forth.
I think for a franchise to be considered on par with ST and SW(or at least somewhere near) it has to generate some kind of engagement that goes beyond just enjoyment of the series.
You've obviously never been to a Jurassic Park forum. After 15 years, there are people who still haven't gotten over the death of the T. Rex in JP3.
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