Putting the Vulcan Embassy in Utah might have been a mistake. Even if it did look like "home".
The Temporal Cold War in Enterprise and franchise continuity
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That guy claimed to be Spock, but he was obviously delusional. Clearly he's really Balok.
I can just imagine someone walking into a Vulcan family reunion and shouting "I'm looking for Spock", and everybody stands up.
The TCW basically needs to be brought up again another series in order for it to be more fleshed out and be a part of the ST Universe. Can’t really be left to just ENT. The way it was originally done in ENT suggests that:
a) NX-01 in the original timeline doesn’t survive past the events of ep11 of ENT.
b) The Xindi conflict didn’t happen in the original timeline.
c) Archer is supposed to be at the founding of the UFP and integral to the unfolding of events in the 2150s, which technically contradicts the events described in a).
d) The crews in TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY are unaware of TCW, despite their experiences and adventures involving time travel. And in the case of VOY, timeships and the Temporal Prime Directive are known to exist by the 29th century. And even Picard was musing about the idea of a Temporal Prime Directive.
e) For that matter, the Kelvin timeline is unaware of the TCW as well.
Ideally, a crossover event with DSC, PIC, and maybe SNW would be the way to go with this if there was an interest in creating a better finale to the TCW than what happened in ENT.
a) NX-01 in the original timeline doesn’t survive past the events of ep11 of ENT.
b) The Xindi conflict didn’t happen in the original timeline.
c) Archer is supposed to be at the founding of the UFP and integral to the unfolding of events in the 2150s, which technically contradicts the events described in a).
d) The crews in TOS, TNG, DS9 & VOY are unaware of TCW, despite their experiences and adventures involving time travel. And in the case of VOY, timeships and the Temporal Prime Directive are known to exist by the 29th century. And even Picard was musing about the idea of a Temporal Prime Directive.
e) For that matter, the Kelvin timeline is unaware of the TCW as well.
Ideally, a crossover event with DSC, PIC, and maybe SNW would be the way to go with this if there was an interest in creating a better finale to the TCW than what happened in ENT.
I don't think it will ever be addressed. With the Kelvin timeline now in play, each universe can claim it happened in the other universe. And as for non-mention of the war in the Federation, Department of Temporal Investigations could have covered it up.
As for Enterprise NX-01 not living past episode 11 in the original timeline, maybe that did happen. NX-01 is very noticeably not in Star Trek the Motion Picture in the room showing pictures of all past Enterprises. Maybe the war did change the timeline, but everything else remained the same except now TMP should have NX-01 in the scene with all Enterprises. The closest analogy would be like in the Terminator films where no matter how much they change time, the same sequence of events end up happening the same way.
The thing is, if that event was the case in the original time, then someone messed with time in order for Archer to be picked over Robinson as the captain of the NX-01 to begin with. Considering how important Archer is supposed to be.
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There were a limited number of pictures. The same with the displays on the Enterprise -D's conferance room wall.
Plus if Deanna had not mention the name of her ship to Cochrane in FC, would the NX-01 have been subsequently named Enterprise?
Or a different captain, a different series of events, would have resulted in a verison of the coalition of planet which grew into a version the federation.
My head canon has the primary motivator to the formation of the federation being the events of the Romulan war, and not primarily the actions of one Jonathan Archer.
The name Enterprise has long been a traditional name, so it's still quite likely the NX-01 would still be named that regardless.
well considering Disco S3 is Past Daniels time, hope well see what happens
Maybe we can see the Enterprise-J that was teased in an Enterprise episode or perhaps a later Enterprise? Oh, imagine Discovery teaming up with a rundown futuristic Enterprise, one of the last remnants of the Federarion. 
As far as I know, they never said he didn't have a foster sister on TOS.
I thought that it was implied that Michael was suppose to have been killed on Vulcan, except that her mother changed the timeline by alerting young Spock?
No, not at all. Yes, Michael's life was saved by her time travelling mother alerting Spock of her danger, but nowhere was it stated that this was Michael's fated death or that her mother changed the timeline by saving her.
isn't that exactly what was said. the then existing timeline where micheal died was altered to a timeline where micheal lived.
Not necessarily. Archer could have easily survived the destruction of the NX-01 Enterprise on a life-pod or something.
Then why was it shown that there were two possible outcomes, and that Michael's mother interfered to insure the "correct" one?
I wonder how long until modern Trek does a Temporal War story and "our" version of Crisis on Infinite Earths? They can cameo every living Trek actor.
2026. I bet they'll do something like this for the 60th Anniversary.
And when they're done: the Eugenics Wars will be pushed to some time later than the 1990s in the New Timeline, the mid-23rd Century looking like it did in TOS will be in its own pocket universe like "Universe-1966" (why not?), so it'll all be addressed in-story, and we'll be good to go. Or maybe not, because what comes next is...
... we'll have a whole new slew of threads wondering about how much of everything made from 1979 on is still the same. Guaranteed.
It'll be just like what happened with DC Comics when they did Crisis, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, and Flashpoint.
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Let's just not. This sounds ridiculously complicated.
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