The technology issue if you did a post-Berman era Trek show?

[Voth commando1]

Maybe not in one sense-if the Federation somehow unites the universe into its values and then expands into other dimensions and timelines it might reach a point farther in the future where it transcends the corporeal and surpasses in wisdom and power the Continuum.

That's dealt with in the second Q episode in TNG and seems to a long term goal that meets the Federation's ideological and moral Raison de faire

 

[fireproof78]

Why would they not predate the universe? Quinn took Voyager to its beginning as a nook and cranny and then shrank them to subatomic levels.

They are for all intents and purposes gods of the Trekverse.

Which means humanity could not become the Q.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Maybe not in one sense-if the Federation somehow unites the universe into its values and then expands into other dimensions and timelines it might reach a point farther in the future where it transcends the corporeal and surpasses in wisdom and power the Continuum.

That's dealt with in the second Q episode in TNG and seems to a long term goal that meets the Federation's ideological and moral Raison de faire

But did they give a figure? A timeframe? If it would take a trillion years, then it's not gonna happen.

 

[Voth commando1]

I dunno a few billion maybe?

But anyway achieving godhood through humanism is Trek's main aspiration in the long run.

The federation is destined to triumph over all its enemies both in the galactopolitcal sense and ideological sense and expand towards eventually not needing bodies at all.

Unlike the Q or Organians or prophets-human wit, wisdom, and compassion and dynamism continue despite being energy beings or for all intents and purposes magical or divine-humanity doesn't sink into stagnation and doesn't shield itself away and hence overtakes the Q not just in a power level sense but in a moral sense as well.

Man will become God and he will deserve that title. That's Trek's final and ultimate aspiration.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But anyway achieving godhood through humanism is Trek's main aspiration in the long run.

Man will become God and he will deserve that title. That's Trek's final and ultimate aspiration.

Where in the Holy Book of Roddenberry does it say that?

When did Star Trek turn in a Cult?

I liked it better when "Gods' were Tricksters, Con men, Man-children and grumpy old men who want to be left alone

 

[Voth commando1]

Q says humanity will surpass them one day, and that isn't something Picard views as a bad thing when he catches Q reacting to it.

It's not explicitly stated but it's the "blessed hope" of Star Trek.

Humanity betters and betters and perfects himself while retaining the attributes necessary for continued growth and moral ascendancy and one day achieves a level of authority the Q can not.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Q says humanity will surpass them one day, and that isn't something Picard views as a bad thing when he catches Q reacting to it.

It's not explicitly stated but it's the "blessed hope" of Star Trek.

Humanity betters and betters and perfects himself while retaining the attributes necessary for continued growth and moral ascendancy and one day achieves a level of authority the Q can not.

Star Trek or the in universe version of humanity?

 

[Voth commando1]

The IU version humanity and thematically it does have the message that godhood is possible through-love, tolerance, science, cooperation, truth, firm moral principle and a dose of cosmic favor. In other words godhood through humanism.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Too New Age for my taste. But I'm a TOS fan. It's message is "pull back the curtain".

 

[fireproof78]

Where in the Holy Book of Roddenberry does it say that?

When did Star Trek turn in a Cult?

I liked it better when "Gods' were Tricksters, Con men, Man-children and grumpy old men who want to be left alone

No kidding. I'm super confused right now.

The IU version humanity and thematically it does have the message that godhood is possible through-love, tolerance, science, cooperation, truth, firm moral principle and a dose of cosmic favor. In other words godhood through humanism.

So, Star Trek's unspoken vision is...Mormon?
"What man is, god once was. What god is, man can become."

I have only one comment on this whole string of thought-citation needed.

 

[Voth commando1]

No kidding. I'm super confused right now.

So, Star Trek's unspoken vision is...Mormon?
"What man is, god once was. What god is, man can become."

I have only one comment on this whole string of thought-citation needed.

Second Q episode and there was some book that made the same point I can't remember it's name though.

 

[fireproof78]

Second Q episode and there was some book that made the same point I can't remember it's name though.

Q only states this as a possibility.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I assume this line:

Q: Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, even beyond us. So you see, we must know more about this human condition. That's why we've selected you, Riker, to become part of the Q, so that you can bring to us this human need and hunger, that we may understand it.
RIKER: I suppose you mean that as a compliment, Q. Or maybe it's my limited mind. But to become a part of you? I don't even like you.

Sounds like guess work on Q's part.

The episode tends to highlight "human exceptionalism", which makes the ideas behind the Federation a bit of sham.

 

[fireproof78]

I assume this line:
Sounds like guess work on Q's part.

The episode tends to highlight "human exceptionalism", which makes the ideas behind the Federation a bit of sham.

Indeed.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Set the show a few decades later so that there is enough time for any tech changes to appear passable. Job done.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not sure I see the problem. Just change the name. It's gonna wind up doing the same thing anyway: propel the ship. fire the weapon. Protect the ship. ect.

 

[somebuddyX]

Just ignore all the bullshit tech and just tell some good stories.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Let's look at it from the opposite end. If it would take humanity a trillion years to become Q, then they never will, because neither humanity nor the universe is supposed to last anywhere near that long.

In a post Nemesis/ST'09 future bits universe, humans can teleport anywhere (or at least 117 light-years, Earth-Kronos) with a software mod to a regular transporter which they've miniaturised to the size of a commbadge (Escape transporter, Nemesis) and with a bit of stuff we've seen in previous transporter episodes, cure any illness and prevent or modify ageing at will. Or even create duplicates or travel through time with some more modification and special circumstances.

Add in the magical telekentic serum from "Plato's Stepchildren" and we have X-Men with Godmode teleportation.

Humanity might not quite be at the level of the Q, but Trelane could do all the same stuff awith a bit of technological help.

I'd love to see a series show how humanity deals with these massive changes, but it'd be nothing like the Star Trek we know.

 

[fireproof78]

Just ignore all the bullshit tech and just tell some good stories.

There's only so much that can be ignored until it gets in the way of storytelling.

 

[Voth commando1]

I understand that an emphasis on "technobabble" gets in the way of good stories but this is the 24th century we're talking about. Further the people uttering the technobabble have gone through advanced education-engineers, rank officers, scientists and so on. You can't realistically show how supposedly Starfleet can turn rocks into replicators without a little bit of future tech going over the audience's heads.