The STXI Enterprise... REFIT!

[MadMan1701A]

Updates later this week... maybe. We find out tomorrow whether we're having a boy or a girl, so I might be working on the nursery.

That's awesome! Here's hoping for good mesh topology on the baby!

Hehe, thanks. I'll try to post a WIP render.

Hey guys... I think I've got replies for everybody.

I love the details, but... I just don't dig the profile on the nose of the nacelle. It just doesn't do it for me. Also, what's up with the "dent" on the bridge of the nose?

Hmm, I agree with you about the "nose dent"... I'll probably get rid of it. Just trying out an idea.

When you say the profile, do you mean the whole shape of the front, or just that ridge that runs down the middle?

The actual profile of the nacelle side view. It just doesn't match the ship. I would square it off more like the tmp enterprise.

Hmm... if I start heading in that direction, though, temptation would be too strong to emulate even more of the original Refit, wouldn't it?

-Ricky

 

[knowthyself]

god, I wish we had a real one to fly around in

 

[JES]

Unfortunately, I'd feel lucky if we even had something with technology equivalent to the ENT era/Masao's early Starfleet Museum era. At the rate we're going, we'll be lucky if we have manned missions outside the Solar System 50 years from now, and chances has it, well have to wait 100 years till we finally have true interstellar vessels, or at least intra-system transports that can traverse the solar system like a ship can travel the seas.

 

[sojourner]

We'll be very lucky if we have manned missions to the outer solar system in 50 years.

 

[JES]

We'll be very lucky if we have manned missions to the outer solar system in 50 years.

At the rate we're going, so very true. In theory, we have the technology to do so, if we really wanted to, as in a Saturn or Bust attitude, but I doubt that the chances of a safe voyage and return are all that particularly high.

A nuclear generator would provide enough power, and if hooked up to a powerful enough propulsion system, enough thrust, and a hydroponics bay would provide the necessary oxygen and food. Having centrifugal sections will help with preventing the muscles of astronauts from atrophying (at least too much).
I'm still worried about micro-meteors. Having the ship made out of nano-carbon tubules might help, but this alloy can only be made in a zero-gravity environment, so we would need factories in orbit. So that would be expensive, granted that whatever company manages to accomplish making these facilities at the time that space travel becomes popular enough is probably going to make a lot of money.

And then there is radiation. Radiation in my opinion is one of those last annoying hurdles that is in the way of making standard space travel safely feasible. It isn't bad enough that the sun constantly sends out radiation that can damage our genetic material, but, as Leonard McCoy said in Star Trek, a solar flare could crop up, and cook you in your seat. One of the final things we will need to do is to be able to generate a shield that can filter out all radiation, which is something that is currently being researched.

 

[sojourner]

Oh, I wasn't talking about whether we could go there, but rather the chances that we will go there in the next 50 years.

 

[CDR6]

Hey everybody... it's been a while again.

I started this a couple weeks ago, but haven't had as much time as I wanted to to really get all the major parts in place. It started as an idea while I was reading the thread about changing the Enterprise for the new movie.

The main complaint seemed to be engineering, of course. So, I thought to myself, what if I just re-build the secondary hull, and leave the rest of the ship the same?

I do plan to work on the "guts" behind the nacelle domes up there, too, before I'm done...

Here's what I've got:

So, what do y'all think? I'm sketching out ideas now for the those "guts", but I'm not opposed to ideas, if anyone has any. They probably won't be blue...

The Art-Deco stile nacells don't seem to do it for me...I like your page one design better. The only thing I would change is to delete the lower of the double scoops and I think you've nailed it (again). And kept the line of JJ's original and given a nod to the movie era "Big E" as well... Good stuff sir!

 

[BK613]

^ I also wouldn't mind seeing the rear of the nacelles pivoted down to help reduce the optical illusion of the droopy hangar bay.

 

[YARN]

^ I also wouldn't mind seeing the rear of the nacelles pivoted down to help reduce the optical illusion of the droopy hangar bay.

No, it's the hangar bay that should be changed.

 

[BK613]

^ I also wouldn't mind seeing the rear of the nacelles pivoted down to help reduce the optical illusion of the droopy hangar bay.

No, it's the hangar bay that should be changed.

What I would like to see in a "refit" before any major detailing changes are made:
- Straighten the struts, thereby widening the nacelles.
- Line up the centerline of the nacelles with the horizontal plane of the primary hull, for the above stated reason.
-Slide the engineering hull and neck back, relative to the PH, nacelles and struts, so there is no undercut in the nape. There is an illusion that the PH is "squashed down" on to the neck; that undercut contributes to that.

 

[YARN]

^ I also wouldn't mind seeing the rear of the nacelles pivoted down to help reduce the optical illusion of the droopy hangar bay.

No, it's the hangar bay that should be changed.

What I would like to see in a "refit" before any major detailing changes are made:
- Straighten the struts, thereby widening the nacelles.
- Line up the centerline of the nacelles with the horizontal plane of the primary hull, for the above stated reason.
-Slide the engineering hull and neck back, relative to the PH, nacelles and struts, so there is no undercut in the nape. There is an illusion that the PH is "squashed down" on to the neck; that undercut contributes to that.

One thing that has occurred to me is that the more complicated curves in newer models often result in some ungainly angles and "illusions."

 

[Science Officer]

No, it's the hangar bay that should be changed.

What I would like to see in a "refit" before any major detailing changes are made:
- Straighten the struts, thereby widening the nacelles.
- Line up the centerline of the nacelles with the horizontal plane of the primary hull, for the above stated reason.
-Slide the engineering hull and neck back, relative to the PH, nacelles and struts, so there is no undercut in the nape. There is an illusion that the PH is "squashed down" on to the neck; that undercut contributes to that.

One thing that has occurred to me is that the more complicated curves in newer models often result in some ungainly angles and "illusions."

Lol - half a year later and we're still talking about that drooping rear! Why, when I was a lad ..... (back in post 27 on page 2). It's an itch I'd like to see scratched, but MadMan appears to have moved on to his extremely good-looking Pixar starships!

 

[knowthyself]

it seems to me that anything is better that the jjprise we got. I stayed spoiler free for the film knowing that I was going to see it anyway. The only thing that I accidentally "spoiled" myself on was in seeing the ship ahead of time. Well, this beautiful one anyway...

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://conservativedialysis.com/~mnick/wp/images/new_enterprise_lrg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://conservativedialysis.com/~mnick/wp/index.php/2009/05/18/movie-review-star-trek/&h=1080&w=1920&sz=303&tbnid=qz5eXWpPl5AJvM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=160&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnew%2Benterprise%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=new+enterprise&docid=KidutPfdxGZ2KM&sa=X&ei=6vxcT87XI9OG0QGtq9ivDw&ved=0CFsQ9QEwBQ&dur=2833

so imagine my surprise when I saw the jjprise. Keep working OP. Give us something to love.

 

[MadMan1701A]

Hey guys...

I haven't stopped working on this guy... I definitely plan to finish it this summer.

In regards to the "drooping" shuttlebay... it still doesn't look that way to me, especially in the regular 3d views. I can see what you guys are talking about in the side ortho, though.

I think I'm going to go 2 different directions on this one... I'm going to finish my new engine design, and detail the secondary hull. Then, I'll have another variant, using my red engines, giving me 3 different Constitution class variants to play with.

What do you guys think? That also means I get to use both ship names I picked out.

-Ricky

 

[CDR6]

Summer! (Gasp!) Well, a man's gotta do, what a man's gotta do...(Sniff...)

 

[MadMan1701A]

Well, I meant to say finished "by" summer... since that's when the baby will be here.

-Ricky

 

[Ranger]

I like this. The deflector really came out nice. It's color come real close to the Original Refit Deflector. I like the reddish color of the Bussards better than the blue. The best thing IMHO is the straightened Nacelle Struts. The curved ones bothered me, they put the Nacelles too close together and made the ship look unbalanced. Now the beefed up Warp Engines seem to fit better.
Great work!

 

[MadMan1701A]

Hey guys... I finally managed to finish these things.

I never did decide which version of the refit I liked better, I so made them two separate variants. The Challenger, with the red nacelles, made me think of a Dodge Challenger the other day... I'm not sure what it was that created the thought, but the name stuck.

The newest one, with the totally new nacelles, got named Endevour. I figured that fit, since I had an Enterprise and Challenger already. I went with a teal color on the engines there because it was different, and it matches the color of the sensor dome on the saucer.

Well, here they are, in order of technological progression. Enterprise didn't get changed any, I just fixed it up in the new format...

Now that those are out of the way, I'm going to re-visit Reliant, and get it updated with the better looking parts.

So, what do y'all think?

-Ricky

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

 

[Kaiser]

Pretty Ortho's