I look forward to seeing Star Trek fans in person at conventions. The online element is a much different story.
The strangest topic on the Star Trek Sub Reddit I have seen...
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An element of the fanbase has ALWAYS been like this. TNG was harangued when it first aired and received the same claims of being 'not star trek' that Discovery does, people hate-crusaded quite heavily against TNG. The majority of people hating on Discovery are actually too young to know all this and are really ignorant about Trek history. Most of the gatekeeping is from fans who grew up with TNG/DS9/VOY, and while they might criticise Discovery for not looking like it is pre-TOS their main source of criticism is that the storytelling, plots, production values do not resemble or 'respect' the berman era.
The Berman era did many things well but it's also responsible for the toxicity we currently see in the fan base and has caused some fans to have a very skewed vision of what Star Trek actually is, because berman trek became hyper-focused on the ships and the made-up technologies and 'canon' and less focused on exploring the human condition the longer the berman era went on. If you look at a majority or fan art and fan fiction this segment of the fan base produces, they are designing Federation battleships, Federation fighter carriers and writing about the Dominion War or the Federation fighting some other enemy. All the while they are criticising Discovery for depicting the Klingon war, being too 'pew-pew' and not focusing on what trek is 'really about' and having an 'SJW Agenda'.
The other factor is that Star Trek has become akin to super secret club for people who probably struggled socially in their formative years and as such they are super protective of trek to the point they become gatekeepers. They don't like that Star Trek is aiming for mainstream appeal, they are incredibly threatened by it and as such treat Kurtzman and the other showrunners like they are the bullies who picked on them in high school. Their hate is a defense mechanism because something they identify with too closely is changing and becoming inclusive.
I'm realizing we've collectively spent enough time talking about them. I'm more interested in Discovery itself.
What's a reddit?
It's what my mom says when I try to buy her a book.
It can F off and die and take Twitter with it
I pretty much agree, although, in fairness, it is far easier to see this element of the fanbase now than it was before the digital age. The amount of these type of people may not even be greater than they were back then, it's just they are the ones that tend to speak the loudest online
"Saccharine" is an SAT word? It's a perfectly valid word, and no other quite gets to what "saccharine" means.
Detmer's moment in Book's ship where she stops in mid-fight-to-the-death-with-far-huger-ship to cheer up the Andorian and make him feel all good about himself. Sometimes it feels like a Hallmark movie. That and the "Say yes" moment the previous ep. "Saccharine" is the correct word imho.
At first I didn't like the "Say Yes" scene (I thought it was too cheesy as well) UNTIL the end if it when Burnham walked in and asked if she missed the "Say Yes" part. That told me it was a planned bit of theater, which made it less cheesy to me -- since the crew actually intentionally all got together and agreed to say it.
That is, they all knew the "Say Yes" was theatrical and did not hide the fact that it was all planned by the crew. If we were meant to believe it was spontaneous, then I would have a bigger problem with it.
+1 for no tears
Kurtzman, take notes.
Kurtzman, take notes.
Is the bias pro or con here? I wouldn't be able to guess....
Overall, I think this forum has a critical eye, but not negative. Trekmovie.com gets my vote for most negative commentary...
I meant a more positive bias. Reddit slants the other way.
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