The strangest topic on the Star Trek Sub Reddit I have seen...

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/k38q1f/i_dont_like_how_saccharine_discovery_is/

This is the strangest topic I have seen about Discovery on the sub reddit. "I don't like how saccharine, Discovery is."

Basically to translate "I don't like how emotional everyone is." Why the poster had to act pompous or better then everyone else with his SAT word, I don't know. This is the weirdest thing to hate about this show. I feel like the Fandom Menace is pulling at strings now, or just finding ever...little...thing, to hate about Discovery.

The /r/startrek Sub-Reddit is obivously bias againt the new shows. How do I know this? I lurk there a lot, I don't bother posting because:

1. A negative "topic" is posted about Discovery.
2. It gets around 2-5K upvotes.

If you search by "Controversial", ironically everything POSITIVE about the show is downvoted, sometimes into the negative numbers. And the posters on the thread, literally ATTACK those comments and how "wrong they are." If you actually read that thread you can see a lot of the same people respond to the positive posts.

I don't know WTF is going on, but it gets tiring. There is no discussion on that thread, you can tell by ALL the posts, there are constant posts about "OmG I didn't realize how Good DS9, the typical "TNG is the show of gods" At least a post once a week about Inner Light.

Any POSITIVE posts on Discovery are just downvoted, so badly, that you will almost never see it make it to the front page. This is starting ti discourage anyone to actually go into that sub reddit, me included. I gave up posting anything in there at this point.

Now no, "karma" doesn't matter, but the problem the way Reddit works, is because of the upvote/downvote system, and thing positive, people form the outside will never see, because of the way that system works, and get buried in 700+ comments.

I am so confused on what is going on at this point, because Discovery season 3 has been fantastic, and the writing has been improved 10 fold, why is there basically a CRUSADE to hate on this show in that sub reddit. I mean WTF is going on?

 

I don't do reddit so I can only go by what I hear but just today the Trek thread on another site had people complaining that Trek on reddit is completely controlled by pro DIS people and any critical threads get taken down.

As for using big words why does it matter

 

Its just the same bias that this site is accused of.

 

I'm not adverse at people using 'SAT words' to describe different things... it actually makes me look for a meaning of the word in that case if I'm unfamiliar with it and helps me expand upon my own vocabulary (mainly because English is not my primary language) - otherwise, I am not exactly a Reddit person.

The novels implement this kind of wording structure, so I don't see an issue in people online doing the same (it doesn't necessarily mean they are trying to be 'better than everyone else' or 'pompous'... it could also mean that's just how they learned to express themselves).

As for Discovery being emotional... I'm enjoying Season 3, but I have also been critical of its flaws and think the writers have been laying the emotional tunes a bit thick this season... I also think they over-used Burnham in the Trill and seed vault ship episodes (I think doctors Pollard or Culber would have been better in the Trill episode with Adira, whereas Nhan would have been more suited to talk to dr. Attis - for the sake of more character development).

In the Vulcan episode, M.B. use was justified, and I can understand the emotional aspect of it (though it seemed a bit 'out of place' for a setting that was supposed to engage in rigorous pursuit of logic and scientific facts - seems strange that a President of a planet who is also a Vulcan appreciated the emotional display just to see how much of Spock was shaped by his sister - maybe the writers could have used the original premise that Sarek mentioned in season 1 when he said that he wanted to create 'a being of exquisite logic to rival the best of our species' in Michael with more subtle emotional tunes).

Granted, Michael hadn't been behaving in such a capacity throughout Season 1 and 2, but 'tapping into that' may have been good to see in this episode.

 

I've been a little critical of the over emotional scenes on Discovery, but I rewatched Unification III last night and I thought all of that was actually earned. I do wish they could have a little levity though, but I guess that's what Linus is over.

 

I used to post there regularly but stopped because of the level of negativity. I find that Trek is best enjoyed these days with minimal fandom engagement.

 

They don't hate the show. They just enjoy talking about how much they hate the show. It's a past-time. That's why I use the term "mock outrage". You can't have genuine discussion because none of the discussion actually is genuine.

I haven't actually seen this particular Reddit, but I've seen enough online communities over the past 25 years that I can get the gist of it -- and the type of posters -- just from the way you described it.

I'm surprised you're still bothering with that place. Lurking or otherwise.

 

I thought TNG was too stoic

 

just, don't go to r/Star_Trek (note the underscore) that's where all the overly negative people, or the ones who get banned on r/startrek go. It's full shitty people.

 

So in other words, it's basically the opposite extreme of TrekBBS in terms of what gets upvoted.

Personally I thought Discovery season 2 was quite good. Jury's still out for me about 3, but I'm hoping things will fall into place in the last few episodes.

 

So far, I think S3 is more cohesive, but somehow less interesting than S1 or S2.

That said, I like all 3 seasons for what they are. I'm a fan.

 

I get what the guy is talking about, because for me, that whole scene with Tilly going to Engineering and the senior crew telling her to "Say Yes" just seemed so cheesy and overboard with the emotional stuff. Besides that, there are some moments where its appropriate, like when she reacts to seeing the older Spock recording and reuniting with her mother....hell I'd probably go into full on babbling crying if I reunited with my mother or father like that, since it was so out of the blue and she didn't know whether Gabrielle was alive or dead! I think this was my one main issue with Discovery since the premiere 3 years ago; the whole emotionalism that seems to be on overdrive at times. Sometimes it even has that Michael Bay-esque dramatic scenes that kind of make you want to roll your eyes (IE Armageddon dramatic scenes).

 

This times 100! Reddit was unbearable during the first couple of seasons of DSC. I’m all for critical thinking but it was just a cesspit of negativity, anger and hate. It’s not nearly as bad now from what I’ve seen but I don’t stop by regularly. Like you say, fans often ruin the experience for me—not just Trek, but music, other tv or films, whatever (the sense of expectation and entitlement and probably their own unresolved personal issues just seems to sabotage the experience for many people). I don’t believe this stuff was made to be dissected like an autopsy by the analytical mind, but to be enjoyed with the heart and soul and with a healthy suspension of disbelief. If I don’t like something (step forward Voyager and Enterprise) I just let it be and move onto something I do love. Makes life much better.

 

After giving this thread a cursory glance over, I've decided I don't give a shit about Reddit.
/CONTRIBUTION

 

The irony is that there's a theme of people in the subreddit claiming that their posts were censored, removed, or downvoted for criticizing Discovery (which is where the toxic r/star_trek was conceived). The funny thing is that those claims are in most cases not true. People post critiques all the time over there. What gets downvoted is posts that are hostile, derisive, or essentially rants rather than efforts to have a conversation. Tell them this and they lament how people have gotten soft, as though having a conversation is a new thing.

But sometimes critical but good faith posts are made and really nice conversations emerge. It's a mixed bag. There's a reason I spend more time here than there, though.

 

"We went to school bare-foot with six feet of snow on the ground and we liked it! The principal beat us with a stick when we got out of line and we liked it! When I was a kid, I wanted color TV, then my Old Man smacked me right across the face and asked if I saw color now. And I liked it! Damn kids today! So soft!"

 

I agree. I genuinely find a great portion of the Trek fanbase to be too childish and petty to deal with.

 

It's easier in person, I think. Online a lot is lost.

Though, that might be changing since so much interaction is done online nowadays.

 

One of the things I'm grateful to Discovery for is, for the first time in my life, giving me access to people to talk to about Star Trek in person. There's a lot to be said for the nuances of voice and body language. It also helps when people don't have internet anonymity empowering them to rant at and dehumanize other people.