Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Tuskin38]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Also seen inside the Scavenger ship in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" are various bits and pieces of a very familiar starship: A Klingon Bird-of-Prey! Not the one introduced in season 1 of #StarTrekDiscovery but the one (with slight alterations) from "Star Trek III" and onwards! 😁

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[David cgc]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Also seen inside the Scavenger ship in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" are various bits and pieces of a very familiar starship: A Klingon Bird-of-Prey! Not the one introduced in season 1 of #StarTrekDiscovery but the one (with slight alterations) from "Star Trek III" and onwards! 😁

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There was an old issue of Starlog in the early '90s where the background of the table-of-contents was a painting of the TOS Enterprise chasing a Bird of Prey. I think it might've been part of an article on David Mattingly, but I'm having trouble tracking down the image on-line (for that matter, I had trouble tracking down another image I remembered from the article to get his name).

Ha! Found it. An old example of the idea of the movie-style Bird of Prey being around in the TOS era.

 

[Tuskin38]

the one here like Jörg observes is slightly different from the B'Rel in WOK onwards. Like from what I can see it's missing the black grills near the impulse deck.

 

[David cgc]

the one here like Jörg observes is slightly different from the B'Rel in WOK onwards. Like from what I can see it's missing the black grills near the impulse deck.

I wonder where the model was sourced from. According to Brian Tatosky:

It's *supposed* to be a Vo'n'talk class from Enterprise all chopped up. At least that was the plan.​

 

[Tosk]

Why that BoP wing got a dart board on it?

 

[Tuskin38]

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Why that BoP wing got a dart board on it?

I mean, that’s how it looked in the other series

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Here's a comparison of the Bird-of-Prey wing seen inside the Scavenger ship in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"↖️, the 23rd/24th century Bird-of-Prey ↗️ and the 22nd century version of the ship from #StarTrekENT ↙️. The SNW ship definitely looks more like ↗️.

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[137th Gebirg]

Looks more like a hybrid of the two.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's a nice closeup of a cutaway of the Enterprise's secondary hull in Episode 6

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

#StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" gives us a nice cross-section of the forward engineer hull of the USS Enterprise.Both multi-deck Engineering ⬇️ (behind the deflector) and the large cargo bay ⬆️ (with visible cargo containers) can be made out. 🧵 1/2

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Here's a comparison with the Franz Joseph blueprints for the TOS version. the turbolift layout is similar, so they may have used it as a basis.

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

I've also made a comparison of the cross section seen in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" and the same section of the #StarTrekTOS USS Enterprise cross section from the Franz Joseph 1973 Star Trek blueprints ⬇️. 2/2

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[Tosk]

I mean, that’s how it looked in the other series

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Here's a comparison of the Bird-of-Prey wing seen inside the Scavenger ship in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"↖️, the 23rd/24th century Bird-of-Prey ↗️ and the 22nd century version of the ship from #StarTrekENT ↙️. The SNW ship definitely looks more like ↗️.

bsky.app

A is often used to denote that a statement is not altogether sincere.

 

[Dukhat]

Apparently there’s also a TARDIS.

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[Professor Moriarty]

442.6 meter length for the USS Enterprise is now unambiguously, incontrovertibly screen canon! Let the Enterprise Length Wars commence!

 

[Cox of Seagulls]

Apparently there’s also a TARDIS.

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Waiting for a novel to go to great pains to connect it to this ship- https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Earth_vessel_(31st_century)

 

[Dukhat]

442.6 meter length for the USS Enterprise is now unambiguously, incontrovertibly screen canon! Let the Enterprise Length Wars commence!

Now they just need to make the Excelsior bigger.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Apparently there’s also a TARDIS.

Has Dr. Who's TARDIS showed up in any of the other major Sci-Fi franchises?

 

[Stuart Wilson]

Now they just need to make the Excelsior bigger.

I've been saying this for a while. If we increase the size of all the TOS and TOS movie ships (including the Constellation class) to scale with a 442m Constitution class it matches the interiors in the movies better, matches the early effects from TNG, removes the huge size jump from the Ent B to the Ent C and then makes the Sovereign class the perfect size to be a replacement for the Excelsior class as they aged out of service. (The Excelsior II class from Pic could be a simpler and easier to build replacement to complement the Sovereign and make up for losses in the Dominion war).

A quick calculation makes the Excelsior 723m at the new scale, compared with a Sovereign at 685m That would work, the internal dimensions of the Excelsior are still smaller than a Galaxy, and probably an Ambassador.

 

[Tuskin38]

Now they just need to make the Excelsior bigger.

I disagree. The Excelsior is still big enough.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I've been saying this for a while. If we increase the size of all the TOS and TOS movie ships (including the Constellation class) to scale with a 442m Constitution class it matches the interiors in the movies better, matches the early effects from TNG, removes the huge size jump from the Ent B to the Ent C and then makes the Sovereign class the perfect size to be a replacement for the Excelsior class as they aged out of service. (The Excelsior II class from Pic could be a simpler and easier to build replacement to complement the Sovereign and make up for losses in the Dominion war).

A quick calculation makes the Excelsior 723m at the new scale, compared with a Sovereign at 685m That would work, the internal dimensions of the Excelsior are still smaller than a Galaxy, and probably an Ambassador.

But by that same logic, every StarShip down the time-line in this SNW Time-line will get scaled up proportionally.

 

[Racefuel]

I've been saying this for a while. If we increase the size of all the TOS and TOS movie ships (including the Constellation class) to scale with a 442m Constitution class it matches the interiors in the movies better, matches the early effects from TNG, removes the huge size jump from the Ent B to the Ent C and then makes the Sovereign class the perfect size to be a replacement for the Excelsior class as they aged out of service. (The Excelsior II class from Pic could be a simpler and easier to build replacement to complement the Sovereign and make up for losses in the Dominion war).

A quick calculation makes the Excelsior 723m at the new scale, compared with a Sovereign at 685m That would work, the internal dimensions of the Excelsior are still smaller than a Galaxy, and probably an Ambassador.

Most of the Sovereign is nacelle anyway. At only 24-29 decks..the E-E was always intended to be a *much* smaller ship than the Enterprise-D and even, in volume, likely the E-C.

 

[Dukhat]

I've been saying this for a while. If we increase the size of all the TOS and TOS movie ships (including the Constellation class) to scale with a 442m Constitution class it matches the interiors in the movies better, matches the early effects from TNG, removes the huge size jump from the Ent B to the Ent C and then makes the Sovereign class the perfect size to be a replacement for the Excelsior class as they aged out of service. (The Excelsior II class from Pic could be a simpler and easier to build replacement to complement the Sovereign and make up for losses in the Dominion war).

A quick calculation makes the Excelsior 723m at the new scale, compared with a Sovereign at 685m That would work, the internal dimensions of the Excelsior are still smaller than a Galaxy, and probably an Ambassador.

I think the problem stemmed from the original ILM scale chart made for STIII. All of the ships on that chart were scaled too small IMHO, but that’s what ended up being used as the ‘official’ scale in licensed publications like the Star Trek Encyclopedia.

Also, I think TPTB just wanted each successive Enterprise to be larger and longer than its predecessor, but that simply doesn’t work with the Excelsior when you really try to determine its scale based on the model’s attributes.

 

[HotRod]

I disagree. The Excelsior is still big enough.

It really isn't. One close look at its surface details is enough to show it has been scaled incorrectly over the years.

Luckily, there has never actually been a canonically stated length, so bumping up it's "official" size shouldn't be any real issue.