Sulu is from San Fransisco, by his own statement. And Roddenberry's intent was that the character of Sulu would be "pan-asian," which might mean mixed heritage.
The status of the Federation in 2399
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That's an odd assertion to make about a character who only existed to tie in with the pre-existing regular character of the Doctor on Voyager.
My head canon says that Louis Zimmerman (as spelled in the DS9 script) is the younger and friendlier brother of the curmudgeonly and obviously more aged Lewis Zimmerman (as the name is spelled in the VOY scripts and seen on screen in "Projections"), and that they worked as a team to develop the EMH, though Lewis takes all the credit and refuses to acknowledge Louis's involvement in the project.
Kor
Kor
"San Francisco... I was born there!"
Visitors buy small statues to indicate that they don't want sex.
Mea cupla. That being said, place of birth does not necessarily equate to nationality.
Technically it does, in America. (Some rare exceptions notwithstanding)
And it's not like we even have any confirmation whatsoever that the old nation states actually exist as political units in the 23rd century anyway. The legal concept of nationality may not even exist on planet Earth anymore, so the main thing relevant to this conversation is really just the question of where were they born/where did they grow up?
Well nations may still exist as a way to carve up the planet for administration purposes, like states, counties etc. And like how people are day Floridians or Texans there still Americans.
Didn't Trip come from Florida?
Didn't Trip come from Florida?
That's the point; I know the US uses jus soli (I know more about the US than I want to, because you guy are fucking everywhere online). Most other countries do not, and Americans tend to now know that.
Nobody's saying they still exist. They probably do not. But when your main character is a baseball fan that loves New Orleans cooking and references the history of the US as the history of all of Earth, he's very American (extreme obesity aside) regardless of nationality.
Without an outside perspective, you probably don't notice it, but many of us do.
" England won the soccer world cup" in ENT so it seems nation's still exist as a distinct cultural entity at least
I think that countries are probably now just states and regions in the larger Earth government. After all, Kirk is from Iowa.
Thats what I would imagine too
Of course the opposite could also true, and the Earth still has sovereign states/countries in the 24th century and beyond.
I've never felt that the federation was some kind of interstellar state, and it's more like something Earth and other worlds have a association through.
Most countries in North and South America have unrestricted right of soil citizenship.
He also stood when an American flag was brought into the room, most people wouldn't do the same if it was just their local state flag being walked in.
Would the average person from Earth stand if the federation flag (if there is one) were brought in? Or would it be more like the UN flag, no big deal.
I dunno, I know some people who have the same reverence for their state flags.
I'm not sure this really works for the post-TNG era. All the social and political issues seem to be settled at the Federation level. What's the difference between that Federation and a state?
Of course, you could have a situation where the Federation is the state de facto, while not being such either legally or in the minds of most citizens.
Weirdly, Lower Decks is canonizing a crap ton of Star Trek: Expanded Universe stuff left and right.
Andorians, Vulcans, and Tellarites are now the founders of the Federation. Training also takes place for humans on Vulcan.
And so on and so on.
Didn't ENT already canonize this?
Nope, it ended before they could make the Federation.
Yes, and secondary material has said they helped found the Federation for decades but it was only confirmed in the animated show.
