The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order...

[The Doctor]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Four, then five.

That's sufficient.

Nah. Read the original Zahn trilogy. That's the only Star Wars that matters.

 

[Darth_Pazuzu]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Four, then five.

That's sufficient.

Not with a cliffhanger like ESB's! Granted, ROTJ may be the second-worst stand-alone film in the Saga, but it's still mandatory.

By the way, if anyone wants to know how I rank the individual films in the Star Wars Saga, from best to worst, here goes:

1. Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith (2005)
2. Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
3. Episode II: Attack Of The Clones (2002)
4. Episode IV: A New Hope (1977)
5. Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi (1983)
6. Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999)

Okay, okay, I'm sure there'll be those who'll think it positively outrageous that I would rank any film in the Prequel Trilogy above ESB or even ANH, but truth be told, the Original Trilogy's become somewhat...overfamiliar to me and ROTS still feels somewhat new and fresh. Also, I think AOTC is extremely underrated. (And for crying out loud, just get over that "I don't like sand" dialogue, you whiny fanboys! ) And just because I rank ROTJ and TPM last, doesn't mean that I think they're necessarily bad, it's just that I think they're the least effective as stand-alone entities.

 

[RandyS]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Four, then five.

That's sufficient.

Not with a cliffhanger like ESB's! Granted, ROTJ may be the second-worst stand-alone film in the Saga, but it's still mandatory.

By the way, if anyone wants to know how I rank the individual films in the Star Wars Saga, from best to worst, here goes:

1. Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith (2005)
2. Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
3. Episode II: Attack Of The Clones (2002)
4. Episode IV: A New Hope (1977)
5. Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi (1983)
6. Episode I: The Phantom Menace (1999)

Okay, okay, I'm sure there'll be those who'll think it positively outrageous that I would rank any film in the Prequel Trilogy above ESB or even ANH, but truth be told, the Original Trilogy's become somewhat...overfamiliar to me and ROTS still feels somewhat new and fresh. Also, I think AOTC is extremely underrated. (And for crying out loud, just get over that "I don't like sand" dialogue, you whiny fanboys! ) And just because I rank ROTJ and TPM last, doesn't mean that I think they're necessarily bad, it's just that I think they're the least effective as stand-alone entities.

Actually, what I find outrageous is that you don't list The Phantom Menace as the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

Not that I feel strongly about that you understand.

And, while I approve of your top two choices, I'd reverse them.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Actually, what I find outrageous is that you don't list The Phantom Menace as the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

That's because Attack of the Clones is the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

 

[Mike Farley]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Actually, what I find outrageous is that you don't list The Phantom Menace as the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

That's because Attack of the Clones is the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

Quoted for truth. Attack of the Clones is almost as bad as the Holiday Special.

 

[DarthMojo]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Attack of the Clones is pretty bad, but have you seen Attack of the Phantom? The editor that brought you "The Phantom Edit" did an even better job with the second prequel.

Believe it or not, his "fix" on "Attack of the Clones" makes it the only prequel film I enjoy watching multiple times.

If you haven't seen it, I HIGHLY recommend you hunt it down. Here's a write up I did a while back:

http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/attackofthephantom/

Enjoy!

 

[Skywalker]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

I've heard of it, yes, but I've yet to find a reliable means of obtaining it so I can see it for myself.

 

[Gaith]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

There are wise ones on the faneditforum.com board who may be able to help if you search for "Attack of the Phantom" in their thread archives. Either that, or PM one of the mods.

Speaking of which... oi, Mojo, whatever became of that Nichols interview you promised in the link above?

 

[Broccoli]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

The sand scene seems to be the scene that most like to hold up to show how much better the Attack of the Phantom is, but I gotta say, the new edit doesn't make Anakin more serious...it makes him more like a creeper. Without the dialogue (as clumsy as it can be) wrapped around it, it makes NO SENSE why their conversation just stopped and why Anakin is trying to feel up Padme and she is simply fine with it.

I do like the edit with the scene ending before the rebuff.

 

[Gaith]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Have you seen the whole movie? Because it does make sense; they're physically attracted to each other, and likely both sexually frustrated to start with. Besides, chalk it up to pheromones or his dark side persuasion if you like.

 

[DarthMojo]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

The scene makes total sense without the awful dialog - they've been spending a lot of time together, they're staring at beautiful scenery, they're looking at each other... so he goes in for the kiss. That's the way things happen. Non verbal communication.

And as far as Anakin seeming a little creepy - DUH! Of course! Moments like that WORK, because he IS a little off. He's one frakked up dude, that Anakin. Anything that contributes to his characters being unlikeable works, considering what he turns into.

I'm not saying we are supposed to hate him, since Anakin is in theory at least partially a victim of circumstance, so we can dislike his actions but still feel sympathy. And him doing everything he can to seduce the object of his desire makes total sense.

A teenager using his position as a bad-ass Jedi Knight with power to impress a girl, and cockily assume she'll fall for him, makes total sense.

I always wished they would have implied that Anakin, without even realizing it, wanted Padame to love him SO BADLY he was unwittingly using the force to make her love him. He just doesn;t have the control or experience yet to know when he's making mistakes.

In any case, get Attack of the Phantom. It might even be available via torrents. And members of the Fan Edit site are happy to make DVD for people and mail them.


Mojo

 

[Stevil2001]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Anakin's not supposed to be creepy. He's supposed to be a hero. He's supposed to be someone you absolutely, entirely sympathize with... until he makes that wrong choice and turns to the Dark Side.

Anakin and Luke should have identical journeys until you reach the point where they make their Choice.

 

[FalTorPan]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Anakin Skywalker reinforced one of my gripes about many contemporary movies and TV shows: their heroes are often whiny little bitches. Anakin's whining to Padme about Obi-Wan was childish and stupid. He seemed even more immature, self-centered and juvenile than he was when he lived with his mother.

My preferred viewing order: IV, V, VI.

My favorite-to-least-favorite ranking of the films: V, IV, VI, III, II, I

 

[RandyS]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Actually, what I find outrageous is that you don't list The Phantom Menace as the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

That's because Attack of the Clones is the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

If you're refering to the dialog in Anakin's "love scene", I agree. But, at least CLONES wasn't the blatant rip-off of NEW HOPE that PHANTOM MENACE was.

 

[RandyS]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Quoted for truth. Attack of the Clones is almost as bad as the Holiday Special.

Actually the Holiday Special was a masterpiece.

 

[Skywalker]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Actually, what I find outrageous is that you don't list The Phantom Menace as the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

That's because Attack of the Clones is the SINGLE WORST STAR WARS FILM EVER MADE.

If you're refering to the dialog in Anakin's "love scene", I agree. But, at least CLONES wasn't the blatant rip-off of NEW HOPE that PHANTOM MENACE was.

TPM was intentionally similar to ANH. That doesn't make it a ripoff.

 

[Gaith]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

TPM was intentionally similar to ANH. That doesn't make it a ripoff.

By that logic, the Psycho remake wasn't a rip-off - and yet it was, due mainly to one key difference, the same as TPM's to ANH: it was terrible.

And Mojo, what about that interview then, eh?

 

[Mysterion]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

Four, then five.

That's sufficient.

Amen! Preach it, brother!

 

[RandyS]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

TPM was intentionally similar to ANH. That doesn't make it a ripoff.

Maybe, maybe not. But it still made it shit.

 

[Cartoonist]

Re: The Star Wars saga: Why 4-1-2-5-3-6 is my preferred viewing order.

4, 5, 1, 2, 3, 6.

Learn it, live it, love it.

I kinda like that idea.

Me too. It preserves the surprise in ESB, and then, while giving you three films for the anxiety over Han's fate to build up, the prequels also set up ROTJ's redemption story. It would be as if they included the prequels as a flashback story while Luke's recuperating from the events of Empire. In the far off future when I have kids, that's how they're going to be forced to watch it.