The Star Wars problem

[Hunter Zolomon]

When and how exactly was consensus reached that the PT is more flawed than the OT?

Of the four Star Wars films George directed (the PT and ANH), I see no difference in quality or competence in any area.

P.S.
Plinkett is a moron and I can easily tell you who Qui-Gon is under his criteria (A maverick who is also wise and measured) so let's leave his brilliant insights at the door.

P.S.S
The Force Awakens is plainly the worst of the seven films and yet it is more acclaimed than at least 4 of the films (the PT and RotJ), so I am forced to think that there is something broken in the collective consciousness of society.

my main problem with the star wars franchise is the general galaxy wide amnesia that seems to occur between trilogies. Really? in the originals the galaxy doesnt believe jedis ever existed and are a myth when about 20 yrs ago they wher all over the galaxy doing flips and kidnapping children to add to their numbers. Half the ppl dont remember the clone wars or the so called jedi coup against the chancellor, please laughable.
Then surprise surprise the new trilogy starts with another galaxy wide amnesia, wtf. Didnt han solo and his buddies get some medals and their adventures recorded. Some how i can tell you how ancient romans lived their lives without any video evidence but in a universe with holo nets vids, recordings and faster than light travel space wizards are forgotten in about 20 years, bullshit.

 

[Jedman67]

"Space is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly hugely mindbogglingly big it is. I mean you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space."

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

but there was a republic and a galactic empire. there was a senate that was voted in. I am sure if the chancellor died today, most republic citizens would know as there is clearly faster than light communications. I am sure there are videos, plays, stories actual footage all over the damn place about jedis. People are still alive that saw jedis, 2o yrs is a very short amount of time. If i saw news footage with jedis and i owned comics and videos about jedis, i can assure you 20 years from now they are not gonna be some myth. Its a ridiculous plothole.

 

[Reverend]

Twenty thousand Jedi at their peak. A galaxy of something like a million inhabited systems, not all of which were in either the Republic and not all were later conquered by the Empire and the population of some those systems could run into the *trillions*. The odds of any one person running into a Jedi is *extremely* remote.

Also, the Jedi don't have press agents. They do what they do and move on. They don't make time for interviews. So what little most people hear about what they actually do is either in the realm of second, third or fifty second hand rumour and tall tales or *really* old stories with about as much connection with reality as a fairy tale. So when they go away, most people won't notice any change in their daily lives.

Also, people didn't just forget, the Empire went to great lengths to suppress and remove any reminder of them. It wasn't accidental.

 

[Ithekro]

Most people we run into that are talking about it are from outer rim dirtball worlds that were either outside the Republic, or on the very edge of the Empire.

The Jedi didn't want publicity, which suited Palpatine just fine. Most propaganda was about the clones, not the Jedi. What was told about the Jedi was to remind people about who started the war and who propagated it. By the start of the Galactic Empire, the people of the Republic's opinions about the "Jedi" was hatred. Buying into the Empire's lies about the Jedi as being hidden oppressors and tyrants that were what was corrupting the Republic. Most citizens would rather forget they even existed now that they were exterminated by the Empire.

One has to also remember that there were only round 10,000 Jedi at the start of the Clone wars, and a large part of 200 were killed during the opening battle on Geonosis. That is 10,000 in a galaxy of millions of planets. Most people never saw a Jedi, and only hear of them from rumors and stories. Most stories were a mix of fanciful or terrifying. A lot of it unbelievable if you never saw one. Even people like Han Solo, who would be well traveled by the Battle of Yavin, didn't believe in the Force, but had heard of it before. We don't know what young Han was doing during the Clone Wars at this time, so we can't guess what sort of things he believed about them as a child.

Most Jedi traveled either alone or in pairs. So seeing one or two Jedi would still be something uncommon. Especially if they mind tricked you into not having seen them. Most battles took place far from the more civilized planets, and even then, the Jedi usually came later, the civilians being rounded up by the Separatists first, than the Jedi and Clones coming in later. The Clones would be seen as the liberators, since the Jedi tended to be more humble and not want the attention. Save of course for Anakin Skywalker, who liked attention. It is still somewhat debatable if Palpatine used Anakin in his Propaganda in canon as the Hero of the Republic, so that, had things gone as planned, Skywalker would be the only loyal Jedi serving at the Emperor's side once the Empire rose from the asses of the Republic. But Obi-wan changed that, so Darth Vader, suited enforcer, became the Emperor's minion, rather than having the last loyal Jedi and hero of the Republic, Anakin Skywalker backing up the Empire.

As for Rey, 30 years after Endor, she's on Jakku. Backwater of backwaters on the edge of the Western Reaches. She knows of stories about what happen a decade or so before she was born, but on a world were survival is the main focus, learning about galactic history is not all that important. For Finn, he was taken by the First Order as a child. Any history he might get will be heavily steeped in Imperial propaganda and be heavily anti Republic, if they are even talked about at all. Everyone else seems to know who people are and what's what. Though by that time, the majority of the Jedi have been gone from the galaxy for about 55 year since Order 66. Luke Skywalker is a known, but he is but one Jedi. Most people have heard of him, but never saw him. We don't know yet if any of the Jedi he was training ever went out like the Jedi of old, or if he was still training them, and only too Ben out from time to time to look for lost Jedi lore.

One more thing. We don't know how wide spread information is in the Galaxy. How must galactic history gets sent from one planet to the next? How much news gets from one world to another that isn't filtered by the Holonet censors, or are just treated as word of mouth from smugglers and traders? Some planets might have good records, some might have poor records. A child growing up probably won't get much galactic history, and what they get will be condensed and probably edited for politics. 25,000 years of millions of world's histories would be pretty much impossible to learn, and not be considered critical to one's existence. A child would probably get their own world's history, some major events in galactic history, and probably some "recent" events so they know what the galaxy is like offworld presently. But again, it depends just how much political censoring is going on locally.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

20,000 Jedi at their peak. A galaxy of something like a million inhabited systems, not all of which were in either the Republic and not all were later conquered by the Empire and the population of some those systems could run into the *trillions*. The odds of any one person running into a Jedi is *extremely* remote.

Also, the Jedi don't have press agents. They do what they do and move on. They don't make time for interviews. So what little most people hear about what they actually do is either in the realm of second, third or fifty second hand rumour and tall tales or *really* old stories with about as much connection with reality as a fairy tale. So when they go away, most people won't notice any change in their daily lives.

Also, people didn't just forget, the Empire went to great lengths to suppress and remove any reminder of them. It wasn't accidental.

so are you telling me that within the republic, no one could tell you the name of the chancellor or the senators of their quadrent, didnt they have regulations. Are you telling me in a galaxy of faster than light communication there is no evidence of jedi. So are you saying they where a myth even when they where at the height of their powers? With that kind of thinking i mean the senate is a myth, the chancellor, the clone troopers, wookies. If i can do a google search right now and find out information about other cultures i have never experienced or come in contact with directly. I am sure in a place where its possible to communicate over thousands of light years instantly i am pretty sure it wont be hard for anyone to confirm if the jedis are real or not.
Because how the hell does the republic run itself or exist without mass communication and transfer of information. I mean how do governers run their sectors, or moffs or anybody.
The jedis didnt need to do interviews they where a famous organisation that existed, at no point in time in the prequels was anybody amazed or surprised that jedis where real they where accepted by the general public, even on a backwater like tattoine

 

[Ithekro]

We don't know how much information gets spread from one planet to another. There does not seem to be a central Internet like system that is galaxy wide. At least not that outside of military control. To get access to certain information, you have to travel to a planet were that information exists.

The Holonet does exist, but we are unsure of how useful it is for people trying to learn. All we know of it is that it is basically the Galactic television system. People get sports and news from it. We've not seen much about entertainment programs on the holonet that aren't sporting events. The military has a music channel. We don't know much about things like holodramas that were in the old EU.

As for the Jedi, they didn't want attention, so usually they didn't use there powers much. While there were positive rumors and stories about them, the bad stories are the ones that were told the loudest.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

Most people we run into that are talking about it are from outer rim dirtball worlds that were either outside the Republic, or on the very edge of the Empire.

The Jedi didn't want publicity, which suited Palpatine just fine. Most propaganda was about the clones, not the Jedi. What was told about the Jedi was to remind people about who started the war and who propagated it. By the start of the Galactic Empire, the people of the Republic's opinions about the "Jedi" was hatred. Buying into the Empire's lies about the Jedi as being hidden oppressors and tyrants that were what was corrupting the Republic. Most citizens would rather forget they even existed now that they were exterminated by the Empire.

One has to also remember that there were only round 10,000 Jedi at the start of the Clone wars, and a large part of 200 were killed during the opening battle on Geonosis. That is 10,000 in a galaxy of millions of planets. Most people never saw a Jedi, and only hear of them from rumors and stories. Most stories were a mix of fanciful or terrifying. A lot of it unbelievable if you never saw one. Even people like Han Solo, who would be well traveled by the Battle of Yavin, didn't believe in the Force, but had heard of it before. We don't know what young Han was doing during the Clone Wars at this time, so we can't guess what sort of things he believed about them as a child.

Most Jedi traveled either alone or in pairs. So seeing one or two Jedi would still be something uncommon. Especially if they mind tricked you into not having seen them. Most battles took place far from the more civilized planets, and even then, the Jedi usually came later, the civilians being rounded up by the Separatists first, than the Jedi and Clones coming in later. The Clones would be seen as the liberators, since the Jedi tended to be more humble and not want the attention. Save of course for Anakin Skywalker, who liked attention. It is still somewhat debatable if Palpatine used Anakin in his Propaganda in canon as the Hero of the Republic, so that, had things gone as planned, Skywalker would be the only loyal Jedi serving at the Emperor's side once the Empire rose from the asses of the Republic. But Obi-wan changed that, so Darth Vader, suited enforcer, became the Emperor's minion, rather than having the last loyal Jedi and hero of the Republic, Anakin Skywalker backing up the Empire.

As for Rey, 30 years after Endor, she's on Jakku. Backwater of backwaters on the edge of the Western Reaches. She knows of stories about what happen a decade or so before she was born, but on a world were survival is the main focus, learning about galactic history is not all that important. For Finn, he was taken by the First Order as a child. Any history he might get will be heavily steeped in Imperial propaganda and be heavily anti Republic, if they are even talked about at all. Everyone else seems to know who people are and what's what. Though by that time, the majority of the Jedi have been gone form the galaxy for about 55 year since Order 66.

One more thing. We don't know how wide spread information is in the Galaxy. How must galactic history gets sent from one planet to the next? How much news gets from one world to another that isn't filtered by the Holonet censors, or are just treated as word of mouth from smugglers and traders? Some planets might have good records, some might have poor records. A child growing up probably won't get much galactic history, and what they get will be condensed and probably edited for politics. 25,000 years of millions of world's histories would be pretty much impossible to learn, and not be considered critical to one's existence. A child would probably get their own world's history, some major events in galactic history, and probably some "recent" events so they know what the galaxy is like offworld presently. But again, it depends just how much political censoring is going on locally.

look in the prequels the jedi where accepted as real by everyone that they encountered, nobody thought they where a myth, if that was the case then the republic, governors, senators would also be considered myths. So i dont bye that in 20 years something that was a galaxy wide truth becomes a myth, nothing can become a myth that quickly when people who knew it as truth where definitely still alive, multiple generations didnt pass. Just 20 years. I can get the empires propaganda being that jedis where not real officially. However i dont need to have seen a kalahari bushman in person to know they are real, so i am sure the same can be said of the jedis. I am sure within the republic it was an accepted fact.
Its a huge plot whole, even i history before electronic media, nothing can become a myth in 20 years, but i am supposed to believe in a galaxy of far superior recording devices, a galaxy spanning republic that is run from one planet, faster than light travel where in less than a week a person can get from one corner of the galaxy to the other, i am supposed to buy a publicly acknowledged truth became a myth i a mere 20 years. If that was possible then how does anyone even know who is running the republic or empire, it could easily be said that the chancellor and senate are a myth. Also i can understand mundane history not being taught to kids but space wizards was not considered easy enough. I can suspend my disbelief that after a 100 years have passed with no one alive that knew the jedis existed and no recordings whatsoever a myth can come to be. But 20 years, in the originals yu have han solo a guy clearly in his 30s and was very much alive and probably around 10 years old during the galactic republic acting like jedis and force is horse shit. I am sure he heard stories when he was a kid, news, novels, media. I am sure the jedis came up in political discussions concerning the republic.

 

[Reverend]

so are you telling me that within the republic, no one could tell you the name of the chancellor or the senators of their quadrent, didnt they have regulations.

No, I am not telling you that.
Where exactly did you think I was telling you that?

Are you telling me in a galaxy of faster than light communication there is no evidence of jedi.

What evidence there was is explictly said to have been deliberately and systematically eradicated by the Empire. Bodies removed. Lightsabers destroyed. Temples ceased, looted and in some cases, destroyed. Also, what the hell does FTL comms have to do with any of it?

So are you saying they where a myth even when they where at the height of their powers?

Yes, as was explicitly demonstrated several times.

With that kind of thinking i mean the senate is a myth, the chancellor, the clone troopers, wookies. If i can do a google search right now and find out information about other cultures i have never experienced or come in contact with directly.

Do you seriously think a totalitarian state like the Empire allows for the free flow of *any* information it does not directly control, much less giving it's citizens access to anything it doesn't want them to know about? Controlling information is usually step one for that kind of government.
Also, George Lucas came up with this universe in the mid-70's. Are you really surprised the concept of the internet didn't occur to him at the time?

The jedis didnt need to do interviews they where a famous organisation that existed, at no point in time in the prequels was anybody amazed or surprised that jedis where real they where accepted by the general public, even on a backwater like tattoine

Not sure where you're getting the notion that people never believed the Jedi existed. That's not the issue. It's the accuracy of what they did know about them, which wasn't very accurate at all.

"I saw your laser sword!"
"Nobody can kill a Jedi!"​

The only thing that was ever brought into question was the very existence of the force.

"I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense"​

This doubt is expressed by exactly *one* character and being generally cynical is one of his core character traits.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

No, I am not telling you that.
Where exactly did you think I was telling you that?



What evidence there was is explictly said to have been deliberately and systematically eradicated by the Empire. Bodies removed. Lightsabers destroyed. Temples ceased, looted and in some cases, destroyed. Also, what the hell does FTL comms have to do with any of it?



Yes, as was explicitly demonstrated several times.



Do you seriously think a totalitarian state like the Empire allows for the free flow of *any* information it does not directly control, much less giving it's citizens access to anything it doesn't want them to know about? Controlling information is usually step one for that kind of government.
Also, George Lucas came up with this universe in the mid-70's. Are you really surprised the concept of the internet didn't occur to him at the time?



Not sure where you're getting the notion that people never believed the Jedi existed. That's not the issue. It's the accuracy of what they did know about them, which wasn't very accurate at all.

"I saw your laser sword!"
"Nobody can kill a Jedi!"​

The only thing that was ever brought into question was the very existence of the force.

"I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense"​

This doubt is expressed by exactly *one* character and being generally cynical is one of his core character traits.

My point is that the jedis where acknowledged by the public to exist during the prequel era. It doesnt matter how much evidence the empire destroyed. In 20 years pretty much the same ppl that where aware of the jedi being real and tangible are still alive, the state may have an official stance that they never existed but it doesnt make ppl who knew it to be true to forget. Now if all the ppl from the prequel era that knew the jedi where real died and all their kids had was stories then i can see them being a myth. However and adult man in his 30s or 40s that was a teenager during the galaxy spanning clone wars that the jedis where known to partake in calling jedis a myth is just utter rubbish.

For example i am sure you will rarely find an adult that doesnt know black people live in africa, even if they have never met a black person. Imagine if overnight all black ppl where exterminated in africa, including the evidence of their existence. and the propaganda is that black ppl never existed there. Then 20 yrs go by and we both truly believe that black people never existed in africa and it was just a myth because we never met a black person from africa 20 years ago. It would make sense for children born into a world without black ppl from africa to think of it as a myth because all they have is older ppls stories and no actual evidence. Hell you and i can even publicly declare that blacks never existed in africa because its the official state policy but we would never believe it because we know it to be false.
That is why i dont buy adults in the originals over 20 years old that live in the galaxy actually believing the jedis are a myth.

 

[Ithekro]

People who lived though the moon landings thought they were myths less than ten years after they happened, and those were televised. The governments were not attempting to say anything about them. Children who grew up during the 70s and into the 80s, never experienced the moon landings, and some buy into the myths that they were faked, or never happened at all. This is without a deliberate effort to censor or crush information about the moon landing by world governments.

The Jedi didn't want publicity, but rumors of them spread galaxy wide. However, by the end of the Clone Wars, most rumors and stories about the Jedi were bad. People rejoiced when they were exterminated. After a year or so, the Empire actively makes efforts to squash all memory of the Jedi Order. Any talk of them is dismissed as myth. They sometimes even go as far as to lock up or execute people that view the Jedi in a positive light under the charge of sedition. In the Galactic Empire, the Jedi were an evil group of tyrannical monks that were secretly holding power over the Senate and started the Clone Wars to gain total power over the Galaxy, culminating in their attempt to assassinate the Chancellor and take over the Republic. Empire history has the Jedi working both sides of the war, as it treats Count Dooku as a Jedi Master running the Seperatist, who were mentally blinded by his powers, and followed him to their doom. The Republic was weak in believing the Jedi's lies, and only Palpatine was strong enough to expose their corruption, and ordered the Army to exterminate the traitors, making Palpatine and the Army the heroes. Had Anakin Skywalker not been defeated by Obi-wan Kenobi, he probably would have been labeled as the only Loyal Jedi and Defender of the Empire. But because of that defeat, the official story has Darth Vader killing him at the Jedi Temple.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

People thought the moon landings were myths less than ten years after they happened, and those were televised. The governments were not attempting to say anything about them. Children who grew up during the 70s and into the 80s, never experienced the moon landings, and some buy into the myths that they were faked, or never happened at all. This is without a deliberate effort to censor or crush information about the moon landing by world governments.

The Jedi didn't want publicity, but rumors of them spread galaxy wide. However, by the end of the Clone Wars, most rumors and stories about the Jedi were bad. People rejoiced when they were exterminated. After a year or so, the Empire actively makes efforts to squash all memory of the Jedi Order. Any talk of them is dismissed as myth. They sometimes even go as far as to lock up or execute people that view the Jedi in a positive light under the charge of sedition. In the Galactic Empire, the Jedi were an evil group of tyrannical monks that were secretly holding power over the Senate and started the Clone Wars to gain total power over the Galaxy, culminating in their attempt to assassinate the Chancellor and take over the Republic. Empire history has the Jedi working both sides of the war, as it treats Count Dooku as a Jedi Master running the Seperatist, who were mentally blinded by his powers, and followed him to their doom. The Republic was weak in believing the Jedi's lies, and only Palpatine was strong enough to expose their corruption, and ordered the Army to exterminate the traitors, making Palpatine and the Army the heroes. Had Anakin Skywalker not been defeated by Obi-wan Kenobi, he probably would have been labeled as the only Loyal Jedi and Defender of the Empire. But because of that defeat, the official story has Darth Vader killing him at the Jedi Temple.

to rejoice about something being exterminated is to believe that it was real, imagine if those same ppl that rejoiced 20 years down the line actually believed that what they thought was exterminated never existed. If the us government overnight decided to act like the moon landing was fake and wiped out all existence of it being real, do you think that most ppl alive now in 20 years time will believe that it was a myth because they werent there to see the moon landing with their own eyes?. Our kids will probably believe its a myth because they never experience or lived it as truth but not us that lived through it.

 

[Ithekro]

My point is that the jedis where acknowledged by the public to exist during the prequel era. It doesnt matter how much evidence the empire destroyed. In 20 years pretty much the same ppl that where aware of the jedi being real and tangible are still alive, the state may have an official stance that they never existed but it doesnt make ppl who knew it to be true to forget. Now if all the ppl from the prequel era that knew the jedi where real died and all their kids had was stories then i can see them being a myth. However and adult man in his 30s or 40s that was a teenager during the galaxy spanning clone wars that the jedis where known to partake in calling jedis a myth is just utter rubbish.

For example i am sure you will rarely find an adult that doesnt know black people live in africa, even if they have never met a black person. Imagine if overnight all black ppl where exterminated in africa, including the evidence of their existence. and the propaganda is that black ppl never existed there. Then 20 yrs go by and we both truly believe that black people never existed in africa and it was just a myth because we never met a black person from africa 20 years ago. It would make sense for children born into a world without black ppl from africa to think of it as a myth because all they have is older ppls stories and no actual evidence. Hell you and i can even publicly declare that blacks never existed in africa because its the official state policy but we would never believe it because we know it to be false.
That is why i dont buy adults in the originals over 20 years old that live in the galaxy actually believing the jedis are a myth.

You are thinking in too large of numbers. This would be more like if all the Basque died off twenty years ago (or if you want to be like the Galactic Empire, exterminated by Spain as traitor to the Iberian Peninsula). People today might have heard of them, some people haven't. But after 20 years....who's going to know what it true or not. (For the record, there are around 3 million Basque world wide today....there were ten thousand Jedi galaxy wide.).

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

we would, the ppl that where alive when it happened. We would still be alive, only 20 years has passed.

 

[Reverend]

People who lived though the moon landings thought they were myths less than ten years after they happened, and those were televised.

True story: my great grandfather refused to believe it was happening even as it happened. Aside from being very Victorian he was (literally!) an old school schoolmaster and he'd had it drilled into him that it was physically impossible to break the pull of Earth's gravity or get though the searing heat of the upper atmosphere.

 

[Ithekro]

My point is that the jedis where acknowledged by the public to exist during the prequel era. It doesnt matter how much evidence the empire destroyed. In 20 years pretty much the same ppl that where aware of the jedi being real and tangible are still alive, the state may have an official stance that they never existed but it doesnt make ppl who knew it to be true to forget. Now if all the ppl from the prequel era that knew the jedi where real died and all their kids had was stories then i can see them being a myth. However and adult man in his 30s or 40s that was a teenager during the galaxy spanning clone wars that the jedis where known to partake in calling jedis a myth is just utter rubbish.

For example i am sure you will rarely find an adult that doesnt know black people live in africa, even if they have never met a black person. Imagine if overnight all black ppl where exterminated in africa, including the evidence of their existence. and the propaganda is that black ppl never existed there. Then 20 yrs go by and we both truly believe that black people never existed in africa and it was just a myth because we never met a black person from africa 20 years ago. It would make sense for children born into a world without black ppl from africa to think of it as a myth because all they have is older ppls stories and no actual evidence. Hell you and i can even publicly declare that blacks never existed in africa because its the official state policy but we would never believe it because we know it to be false.
That is why i dont buy adults in the originals over 20 years old that live in the galaxy actually believing the jedis are a myth.

For people like Han Solo, this is not a group of people that don't believe that the Jedi existed. He knows of them. A lot of people know of them. What they don't believe if in their powers. The Force. It is something that was mostly rumor and story even when the Jedi were alive. There were lots of stories about the Jedi. Many were untrue. Many were exaggerated. Some were completely true, but sound fantastical. How does someone who never meet a Jedi determine what is true and false among all these stories? After hearing too many, with the Empire actively suppressing and discrediting the Jedi, the more cynical person would dismiss the Force as "simple tricks and nonsense". Even for those in the know, like Grand Moff Tarkin, he thinks of it as an old religion, which may be in some cases true, seeing that we have seen other versions of the believe in the Force on Jedha, and recent Star Wars Rebels episodes.

we would, the ppl that where alive when it happened. We would still be alive, only 20 years has passed.

It isn't that people don't know what a Jedi is. It is more they don't believe all the fantastical stories they've heard about them. After 20 years of them being dead, to most people, it doesn't really matter anymore what was real or not....they are gone.

 

[JD]

If you want to see how easy it is to brainwash an entire population, just watch some documentaries about life in North Korea, it's honestly pretty scary.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

If you want to see how easy it is to brainwash an entire population, just watch some documentaries about life in North Korea, it's honestly pretty scary.

yeah those ppl have been under totalitarian rule for more way more than 20 years and they are not allowed to leave or experience the wider world.
In star wars only about 20 years have passed and you have adults in their 30s acting like they where born during the empires reign.

 

[Reverend]

yeah those ppl have been under totalitarian rule for more way more than 20 years and they are not allowed to leave or experience the wider world.
In star wars only about 20 years have passed and you have adults in their 30s acting like they where born during the empires reign.

Nazi Germany lasted about a decade and they had no trouble convincing people all sorts of things were and were not true in less than half that time. Likewise, it's not as if the people of North Korea *just now* started to buy into the party line. It's a state of affairs that has lasted for quite some time and started over a century ago, so I'm afraid that argument doesn't hold any water at all.

And once again, we're not talking about convincing people that up is down and there's no such thing as the colour blue. You're convincing them that a bunch of secretive religious zealots that 99.999999999999% of the galaxy have only heard about in stories turned out to be warmongering criminals and attempted to assassinate the Chancellor.

Most people would shrug , tut and then get on with their lives. Some that knew different may have spoken out. Most would have been quickly silenced, encouraging others to either keep their mouths shut or be very *very* careful about who that speak to about Jedi, unless they want to get disappeared by the ISB.

 

[Hunter Zolomon]

Nazi Germany lasted about a decade and they had no trouble convincing people all sorts of things were and were not true in less than half that time. Likewise, it's not as if the people of North Korea *just now* started to buy into the party line. It's a state of affairs that has lasted for quite some time and started over a century ago, so I'm afraid that argument doesn't hold any water at all.

And once again, we're not talking about convincing people that up is down and there's no such thing as the colour blue. You're convincing them that a bunch of secretive religious zealots that 99.999999999999% of the galaxy have only heard about in stories turned out to be warmongering criminals and attempted to assassinate the Chancellor.

Most people would shrug , tut and then get on with their lives. Some that knew different may have spoken out. Most would have been quickly silenced, encouraging others to either keep their mouths shut or be very *very* careful about who that speak to about Jedi, unless they want to get disappeared by the ISB.

they where not a secret force, they where famous all over the galaxy, almost everyone knew what a jedi was. They where known as peace keepers, took part in wars and where a big part of republic politics, with a big ass temple on the capital corusant, they where not a secret in any sense of the word.