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The Star Wars problem

It was tragic because he couldn't fight fate, yes.

"What must I do, Master Yoda?"
"Train yourself to let go- of everything you fear to lose".
From a head knowledge perspective, yes, it is tragic. What is lacking, for me, is the emotional identification with Anakin that is necessary for it to feel like tragedy. So, I can knowledge that the point of the story is a tragedy, but there is no emotional resonance for me. I don't connect with the characters in a meaningful way, they do not feel like real people in a real situation.

That's the difference for me.
 
From a head knowledge perspective, yes, it is tragic. What is lacking, for me, is the emotional identification with Anakin that is necessary for it to feel like tragedy. So, I can knowledge that the point of the story is a tragedy, but there is no emotional resonance for me. I don't connect with the characters in a meaningful way, they do not feel like real people in a real situation.

That's the difference for me.
Hmmm. That's pretty much how I feel about Rey and Poe and all them. They feel like calculated products.
 
Hmmm. That's pretty much how I feel about Rey and Poe and all them. They feel like calculated products.
Agree to disagree then. If there was ever a time I would be sympathetic with Anakin, it was when AOTC first came out, when he and I were the same age, and struggling with romance. Unfortunately, upon rewatch,, it doesn't ersonate or feel real.

That said, I'll go against the grain and say that I think AOTC is a more fun film in the PT, and feels very much like an adventure, with the occasional breaking moments but not enough to ruin the film for me.
 
Agree to disagree then. If there was ever a time I would be sympathetic with Anakin, it was when AOTC first came out, when he and I were the same age, and struggling with romance. Unfortunately, upon rewatch,, it doesn't ersonate or feel real.

That said, I'll go against the grain and say that I think AOTC is a more fun film in the PT, and feels very much like an adventure, with the occasional breaking moments but not enough to ruin the film for me.
Doesn't that mean that you identified with him at the age you would identify with him most, then identified less as you became less like him?
Doesn't seem like a flaw of the movie.
 
Doesn't that mean that you identified with him at the age you would identify with him most, then identified less as you became less like him?
Doesn't seem like a flaw of the movie.
No, I didn't identify with him even then. No emotional resonance, as I stated before. I did not find the romance believable or realistic. Anakin's motives feel very selfish and do no move past that, so he feels incredibly static, hence, not real.
 
I went on the record saying that the marriage sequence in AOTC was my favorite ending sequence of all of the films. That was before TFA.

Now, I'd place TFA's end with Luke and Rey first, followed by AOTC's marriage ceremony, and then SW77's award ceremony. I also enjoy the city chase in AOTC a great deal and the way that Jar Jar was subverted.
 
No, I didn't identify with him even then. No emotional resonance, as I stated before. I did not find the romance believable or realistic. Anakin's motives feel very selfish and do no move past that, so he feels incredibly static, hence, not real.
I would say that they move INTO selfishness after TPM. So no, he's not static.
 
I went on the record saying that the marriage sequence in AOTC was my favorite ending sequence of all of the films. That was before TFA.

Now, I'd place TFA's end with Luke and Rey first, followed by AOTC's marriage ceremony, and then SW77's award ceremony. I also enjoy the city chase in AOTC a great deal and the way that Jar Jar was subverted.
The very last shot of TFA is bad though. Everything before it is good, but the final shot (for some unfathomable reason) is a grainy drone/helicopter shot.
 
I would say that they move INTO selfishness after TPM. So no, he's not static.
From AOTC on, he feels very static. Again, as I said earlier, TPM Anakin and AOTC/ROTS Anakin do not feel like the same person, and that's a missed story opportunity to really show that transition.
 
From AOTC on, he feels very static. Again, as I said earlier, TPM Anakin and AOTC/ROTS Anakin do not feel like the same person, and that's a missed story opportunity to really show that transition.
They totally do though. They feel like TPM Anakin changed by a combination of conflicting philosophies, teenage needs, and deep seated insecurity brought on by leaving his security blanket (his mother) at a young age.
Also from AotC to ESB he feels like the same person, even giving Luke the same offer he gave Padme. In RotJ he finds himself again and becomes "that little boy I knew on Tatooine".
 
They totally do though. They feel like TPM Anakin changed by a combination of conflicting philosophies, teenage needs, and deep seated insecurity brought on by leaving his security blanket (his mother) at a young age.
Also from AotC to ESB he feels like the same person, even giving Luke the same offer he gave Padme. In RotJ he finds himself again and becomes "that little boy I knew on Tatooine".
Again, it sounds good. But, there's too much inconsistency in his presentation for the realism of the character. Padme feels similarly, that she makes a large transition between films that we must infer and not be shown.
 
Again, it sounds good. But, there's too much inconsistency in his presentation for the realism of the character. Padme feels similarly, that she makes a large transition between films that we must infer and not be shown.
But we ARE shown. I have already explained this to you (with examples) in previous posts.
 
But we ARE shown. I have already explained this to you (with examples) in previous posts.
No it's implied. As has been stated, by you, we are already seeing Anakin under Palpatine's influence. So, by AOTC he is already on the path and there is no alternating it. There is never a feeling of angel and devel, but just how Anakin will embrace his selfish nature.

What we are shown is scant, and infers a lot.
 
No it's implied. As has been stated, by you, we are already seeing Anakin under Palpatine's influence. So, by AOTC he is already on the path and there is no alternating it. There is never a feeling of angel and devel, but just how Anakin will embrace his selfish nature.

What we are shown is scant, and infers a lot.
Not at all. We are shown Palpatine and Anakin's conversation in the begining of the film, after knowing from the end of TPM that Palp would have his eye on Anakin.
The conversation they have at the beginning of the film directly informs many thing that happen going forward, word for word.
I have already explained this.
 
So are we not shown or are we shown poorly?

I don't care to split hairs. Whether we're shown a tiny little bit in a lackluster way or not shown at all doesn't really make a difference to my judgment.
Bottom line is: It's shit anyway.
 
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