The Star Wars problem

[fireproof78]

I disagree on all counts. I have explained to you what you deny that I have, and I don't see many generic locales in Star Wars. Except maybe TFA where they couldn't bother to film the Resistance base anywhere cooler than some kind of quarry.

You have disagreed and explained your subjective opinion. It doesn't make it right or that I must agree.

Desert planet, jungle planet, snow planet, swamp planet, air planet, jungle planet. It's simplistic because you can identify with the locations that much easier.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I disagree, obviously.

Obviously.
Wake me when Star Wars starts offering deep thoughts and challenges for people who are older than 7.
They're fun pop culture, that's it.

There are actually plenty of examples for how to combine pop culture with complex thought (postmodern literature, I'm looking at you.). Star Wars isn't one of them.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Desert planet, jungle planet, snow planet, swamp planet, air planet, jungle planet. It's simplistic because you can identify with the locations that much easier.

Most of those are in the OT.
Kamino, Utapau, The Gungan City, Mustafar, Coruscant, Felucia, Kashyyyk, Alderaan, etc... All have many fantastic elements.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Obviously.
Wake me when Star Wars starts offering deep thoughts and challenges for people who are older than 7.
They're fun pop culture, that's it.

There are actually plenty of examples for how to combine pop culture with complex thought (postmodern literature, I'm looking at you.). Star Wars isn't one of them.

I disagree. You don't seem to have an interest in film beyond entertainment.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I disagree. You don't seem to have an interest in film beyond entertainment.

Nice try.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Nice try.

In what way?

 

[fireproof78]

Most of those are in the OT.
Kamino, Utapau, The Gungan City, Mustafar, Coruscant, Felucia, Kashyyyk, Alderaan, etc... All have many fantastic elements.

Um, what's fantastic about Alderaan again? Same with Mustufar?

Guess what, the fantastic setting doesn't make it easier to connect, which means we have to rely upon the characters, which, as I have stated repeatedly, I do not make an emotional connection with, save for brief moments in AOTC.

Since we are sharing videos, here are two for you, for the price of one. Don't worry-they're short:

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[Shinzon4u]

Um, what's fantastic about Alderaan again? Same with Mustufar?

Guess what, the fantastic setting doesn't make it easier to connect, which means we have to rely upon the characters, which, as I have stated repeatedly, I do not make an emotional connection with, save for brief moments in AOTC.

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You dismissed my video so I don't see why I would waste my time with yours.

 

[fireproof78]

You dismissed my video so I don't see why I would waste my time with yours.

I watched your video. I disagreed with the presenter's premise and conclusion.

 

[Shinzon4u]

I watched your video. I disagreed with the presenter's premise and conclusion.

But his analysis wasn't really subjective. Jurassic Park has more going on than Jurassic world.

 

[fireproof78]

But his analysis wasn't really subjective. Jurassic Park has more going on than Jurassic world.

It was subjective in his presentation, as well as the basis of his premise-that people saw Jurassic World exactly as he did. It was informative of his perspective, but his conclusion left much to be desired.

I'll not disagree that Jurassic Park has more going on, but I credit that as much to Criton's novel, and Spielberg's limitations at the time, as well as an over-reliance on CGI.

 

[Shinzon4u]

It was subjective in his presentation, as well as the basis of his premise-that people saw Jurassic World exactly as he did. It was informative of his perspective, but his conclusion left much to be desired.

I'll not disagree that Jurassic Park has more going on, but I credit that as much to Criton's novel, and Spielberg's limitations at the time, as well as an over-reliance on CGI.

But Crichton's novel didn't have the parenthood theme. That was created for the movie by Spielberg.

 

[{ Emilia }]

But his analysis wasn't really subjective.

Every analysis is subjective. Welcome to science in the age of constructivism.

 

[fireproof78]

But Crichton's novel didn't have the parenthood theme. That was created for the movie by Spielberg.

"Nature vs. nurture" is about as boiled down parenthood as you can get.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Every analysis is subjective. Welcome to science in the age of constructivism.

I mean, his central point of Jurassic World not having a through-line like the the parenthood theme or what Malcolm and Hammond represent is pretty plainly apparent just by watching the two films. Trevorrow is no Spielberg.

 

[Shinzon4u]

"Nature vs. nurture" is about as boiled down parenthood as you can get.

?
Speilberg injected the theme beyond a vague idea. It's infused in many scenes from the EEG(EKG?) scene to the hurt Dinosaur being reacted to like a newborn infant and everything else. No of that was in the book.

 

[fireproof78]

?
Speilberg injected the theme beyond a vague idea. It's infused in many scenes from the EEG(EKG?) scene to the hurt Dinosaur being reacted to like a newborn infant and everything else. No of that was in the book.

And that's fine by me. He built it up more, again, owing to Criton's material, as well as limitations on the film. Jurassic World didn't have either of those.

However, his initial premise is that no one will remember Jurassic World, and then he goes to unpack that by demonstrating the through line he found.

I could do the same thing with Star Trek 09 and have.

 

[Shinzon4u]

And that's fine by me. He built it up more, again, owing to Criton's material, as well as limitations on the film. Jurassic World didn't have either of those.

However, his initial premise is that no one will remember Jurassic World, and then he goes to unpack that by demonstrating the through line he found.

I could do the same thing with Star Trek 09.

The premise is obviously subjective. The things he points out about Jurassic Park aren't. Spielberg has talked about some of those things. (i.e. that guy was not making assumptions).

 

[fireproof78]

The premise is obviously subjective. The things he points out about Jurassic Park aren't. Spielberg has talked about some of those things. (i.e. that guy was not making assumptions).

Again, I'm not disagreeing with the differences between Jurassic Park or World. Just disagreeing that the presenter wasn't subjective in his premise-that no one will remember Jurassic World.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Again, I'm not disagreeing with the differences between Jurassic Park or World. Just disagreeing that the presenter wasn't subjective in his premise-that no one will remember Jurassic World.

I mean, no one remembers JP3, and Joe Johnston is more talented than Colin Trevorrow...