The Star Trek Trilogy...
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Last I heard, he held all of TOS's third season in complete, unadulterated contempt. Has Mr. Stinky Pants mellowed in his old age?
Personally, I want only one thing from Star Trek, and one thing only: Quality entertainment. If that quality entertainment is serious sci-fi, good! If it's serious drama, also good! If it's neo-classical opera, that's good too. Just give me something that fits my standards of quality and I'm happy.
Uh, you don't want to say that. TGT hates Ellison. TGT met him once at a book signing. Ellison was having problems with the spelling of TGT's name. He kept spelling it M-R-S-T-I-N-K-Y-P-A-N-T-S or G-R-E-A-T-M-A-M-B-O-C-H-I-C-K-E-N and TGT tried to correct him and Ellison screamed at him like a demon on prozac. TGT unwilling to suffer such indignities hurled Ellison through a plate glass window.
As a consequence TGT doesn't read much Ellison anymore and Ellison only wears freshly washed pants and has sworn off chicken and religious figureheads altogether.
Tragic.
Admiral James Kirk said:
Uh, you don't want to say that. TGT hates Ellison. TGT met him once at a book signing. Ellison was having problems with the spelling of TGT's name. He kept spelling it M-R-S-T-I-N-K-Y-P-A-N-T-S or G-R-E-A-T-M-A-M-B-O-C-H-I-C-K-E-N and TGT tried to correct him and Ellison screamed at him like a demon on prozac. TGT unwilling to suffer such indignities hurled Ellison through a plate glass window.
As a consequence TGT doesn't read much Ellison anymore and Ellison only wears freshly washed pants and has sworn off chicken and religious figureheads altogether.
Tragic.
I love that story...
Admiral James Kirk said:
Uh, you don't want to say that. TGT hates Ellison. TGT met him once at a book signing. Ellison was having problems with the spelling of TGT's name. He kept spelling it M-R-S-T-I-N-K-Y-P-A-N-T-S or G-R-E-A-T-M-A-M-B-O-C-H-I-C-K-E-N and TGT tried to correct him and Ellison screamed at him like a demon on prozac. TGT unwilling to suffer such indignities hurled Ellison through a plate glass window.
As a consequence TGT doesn't read much Ellison anymore and Ellison only wears freshly washed pants and has sworn off chicken and religious figureheads altogether.
Tragic.
Star Trek II/III/IV could almost feel like a trilogy if they hadn't used that out-of-place music for TVH. They should have stuck with James Horner!
I thought the music made a good change...
Leonard Rosenman's score is probably the weakest original score for the series (not counting TFF, FC, INS and NEM, in which Goldsmith recycled himself), or anyway it's in a dead heat with Dennis McCarthy's GEN score.
Still, its bland-optimistic-happy-go-lucky-gee-this-sounds exactly-like-that-score-for-Bakshi's-animated-LOTR-you-did, doesn't-it-Rosenman suits TVH rather well.
Still, its bland-optimistic-happy-go-lucky-gee-this-sounds exactly-like-that-score-for-Bakshi's-animated-LOTR-you-did, doesn't-it-Rosenman suits TVH rather well.
Over to you J.J.
As TWoK began, Kirk was feeling old and left out, Chekov was reassigned, the rest of the crew was about to split up. They were making way for a new generation to hop the galaxies.
As TVH comes to a close, they are together again, with a new ship, a new sense of unity and purpose. "My friends, we've come home."
Even if all the trilogy did was reset everything to how it was in the original series, it was a unified story. Kirk and crew are back where they belong.
As TVH comes to a close, they are together again, with a new ship, a new sense of unity and purpose. "My friends, we've come home."
Even if all the trilogy did was reset everything to how it was in the original series, it was a unified story. Kirk and crew are back where they belong.
You've got to be kidding me. First Contact was by far the best TNG movie, and Wrath of Khan is perhaps the best TOS movie (VI was also great). How were they cheap, nasty, or ugly? Manipulative? In the way they had compelling plots that made them interesting and entertaining?
Gene Roddenberry will sooner rise from the grave than will TGT change his opinions about Bennett, Nimoy, Meyer, and their movies.
I completely disagree with him of course, I love those movies and think they are very good.
However, TGT is always an entertaining character to read, and his opinions and information on TMP are informative and admirable. It's only recently that I have come around to the greatness of TMP. It has a scope that the other movies lack, it really touches a universal theme.
It's like a chicken drumstick, really. Take the parts you like, chew them up, enjoy them, and forget the rest. No use trying to change it.
I completely disagree with him of course, I love those movies and think they are very good.
However, TGT is always an entertaining character to read, and his opinions and information on TMP are informative and admirable. It's only recently that I have come around to the greatness of TMP. It has a scope that the other movies lack, it really touches a universal theme.
It's like a chicken drumstick, really. Take the parts you like, chew them up, enjoy them, and forget the rest. No use trying to change it.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Man, I wish I knew a way to dig up a couple of my old 1000 word rants against how moronic I find SEARCH FOR SPOCK (I disagree with TGT about TWOK, which I like, but until NEMESIS, I ranked the Nimoy-directed films and FC at the bottom of the Trek feature pantheon, even below the schizophrenic GENERATIONS. And to cut you off from asking, no, I really like TFF, I'm not forgetting that one.)
Short version on SFS -- I find ALL of the plotting in the film to be arbitrary in a way that is kind of like George Lucas at his worst, where contrivance replaces plotting. Nothing really seems to happen for a reason, just because it'd be cool. You can't fault the film for having its heart in the wrong place (there is some good sentiment in there when they go to steal the ship), but nothing seems to develop.
All of these movies have the by-committee feel, where you HAVE to have a scene of Shatner doing THIS and so forth, but on this one, it just feels cutNpaste, like they studied TWOK, ripped sequences out, gave them a simple flip (the BOP approach being a feeble echo of the Reliant sneak attack/ the "you're going to have to bring us up there to get it" being almost verbatim "you're gonna have to come down here Khan, you're going to have to come down here" being the first examples in mind today), then screwed up when they filmed them.
Even sitting in the theater opening day, already knowing the ship was going to get blown up, I wasn't getting any sense to the strategy. Why not beam directly onto the klingon ship instead of to a deathtrap planet? Could have been more dramatic, if they took over the BOP, then had to destroy the Enterprise with disruptor fire to take out the klingon boarding party. Kirk having to shoot his own horse so to speak would have worked a lot better for me.
Ooops, gonna stop, sorry.
Short version on SFS -- I find ALL of the plotting in the film to be arbitrary in a way that is kind of like George Lucas at his worst, where contrivance replaces plotting. Nothing really seems to happen for a reason, just because it'd be cool. You can't fault the film for having its heart in the wrong place (there is some good sentiment in there when they go to steal the ship), but nothing seems to develop.
All of these movies have the by-committee feel, where you HAVE to have a scene of Shatner doing THIS and so forth, but on this one, it just feels cutNpaste, like they studied TWOK, ripped sequences out, gave them a simple flip (the BOP approach being a feeble echo of the Reliant sneak attack/ the "you're going to have to bring us up there to get it" being almost verbatim "you're gonna have to come down here Khan, you're going to have to come down here" being the first examples in mind today), then screwed up when they filmed them.
Even sitting in the theater opening day, already knowing the ship was going to get blown up, I wasn't getting any sense to the strategy. Why not beam directly onto the klingon ship instead of to a deathtrap planet? Could have been more dramatic, if they took over the BOP, then had to destroy the Enterprise with disruptor fire to take out the klingon boarding party. Kirk having to shoot his own horse so to speak would have worked a lot better for me.
Ooops, gonna stop, sorry.
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