The stab Picard fest...

[Kobayshi Maru]

At first, there was the Nausicaans ( that we know of). We learn that getting stabbed through the heart was his ticket to get to be a captain someday. Then, there's Dianna, when she's possessed by the emotional baggage of a politician. That youngster that yelled like a coyote. There's the guy who wouldn't believe that Picard wasn't a god until he pierced him with an arrow.


Did I leave something out?

 

[Makarov]

His clone gets stabbed in Nemesis

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

His clone gets stabbed in Nemesis

That's a good one!


Reminded me of Excalibur when King Arthur gets stabbed in a similar fashion.

 

[Ghrakh]

We learn that getting stabbed through the heart was his ticket to get to be a captain someday.

That's news to me.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

We learn that getting stabbed through the heart was his ticket to get to be a captain someday.

That's news to me.

Well, I'd advise you to (re?)Watch Tapestry then. It is made quite clear in it. Picard finds out that without that stab through his heart he'd end up a miserable second rate officer with not even chance at being in command, let alone captain of a ship.

 

[Cyke101]

We learn that getting stabbed through the heart was his ticket to get to be a captain someday.

That's news to me.

Well, I'd advise you to (re?)Watch Tapestry then. It is made quite clear in it. Picard finds out that without that stab through his heart he'd end up a miserable second rate officer with not even chance at being in command, let alone captain of a ship.

To further add, that stab taught Picard the importance of making the most of his life, to be the best that he could be, which resulted in his eventual captaincy. If he had chosen the safe way and avoided the fight, he wouldn't have learned to take risks or be ambitious -- he became comfortable and content but stagnant and average in every way.

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Back on topic, can we count Ro for backstabbing him?

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

That's news to me.

Well, I'd advise you to (re?)Watch Tapestry then. It is made quite clear in it. Picard finds out that without that stab through his heart he'd end up a miserable second rate officer with not even chance at being in command, let alone captain of a ship.

To further add, that stab taught Picard the importance of making the most of his life, to be the best that he could be, which resulted in his eventual captaincy. If he had chosen the safe way and avoided the fight, he wouldn't have learned to take risks or be ambitious -- he became comfortable and content but stagnant and average in every way.

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Back on topic, can we count Ro for backstabbing him?

That must have hurt, indeed!

In fact, you could see the hurt in his eyes. I was sad for him.

 

[Ghrakh]

We learn that getting stabbed through the heart was his ticket to get to be a captain someday.

That's news to me.

Well, I'd advise you to (re?)Watch Tapestry then. It is made quite clear in it. Picard finds out that without that stab through his heart he'd end up a miserable second rate officer with not even chance at being in command, let alone captain of a ship.

I'd advise you to take your own advice. It was Picard's brazen attitude that got him into the fight, but which also lead to him on the fast track to captaincy. He didn't know back then that he was going to get stabbed nor was it really about that.

You make it sound like anyone that gets stabbed is instant captain material.

 

[bbailey861]

"Anyone"? No, I don't think it sounds that way at all. It sounds like Kobayshi Maru is saying it was Picard's ticket. It was a defining moment in Picard's life that paved his way to his Captain's seat. We can also see, by some of Picard's mind numbing monologues, that he didn't remain young and foolish his whole life.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

That's news to me.

Well, I'd advise you to (re?)Watch Tapestry then. It is made quite clear in it. Picard finds out that without that stab through his heart he'd end up a miserable second rate officer with not even chance at being in command, let alone captain of a ship.

I'd advise you to take your own advice. It was Picard's brazen attitude that got him into the fight, but which also lead to him on the fast track to captaincy. He didn't know back then that he was going to get stabbed nor was it really about that.

You make it sound like anyone that gets stabbed is instant captain material.

I did no such thing. You completely misconstrued the episode. Q made it clear that the only way that Picard could ever be captain was by getting into the fight and get stabbed by the Nausicaan, ALL other avenues lead him to becoming the dreary man he despises. I never said that that was required of all captains, that would be insane.

 

[jimbotron]

It just put his resume to the top of the stack.

 

[Ghrakh]

I did no such thing. You completely misconstrued the episode.

Picard doesn't turn into a dreary lieutenant because he didn't get stabbed, he turned into that because he changed his attitude prior to the incident. Perhaps you skipped all that boring stuff about him alienating his friends by becoming very conservative? The majority of the episode? Now, I'll grant that getting stabbed and coming close to death affected him. It would affect anyone. But that doesn't mean they get handed the keys to a starship. Did you miss all the things Q told him he did afterwards?

Back on topic

Agreed.

 

[TheSubCommander]

His clone gets stabbed in Nemesis

That's a good one!


Reminded me of Excalibur when King Arthur gets stabbed in a similar fashion.

And Patrick Stewart was in that movie, too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

All Trek series have a pattern, it would seem. Somebody always gets it:

TOS: Torture Chekov.
TNG: Torture Picard.
DS9: Torture O'Brien.
VOY: Torture Harry.
ENT: Torture Archer.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

All Trek series have a pattern, it would seem. Somebody always gets it:

TOS: Torture Chekov.
TNG: Torture Picard.
DS9: Torture O'Brien.
VOY: Torture Harry.
ENT: Torture Archer.

Torture Chekov? I don't know. What about when Scotty gets accused of being a serial killer or when Apollo strikes him several times for trying to defend the designated babe? Kirk and Spock are forced by the children of Plato or whatever, to do all sorts of ridiculous things, Kirk is split in two people, tortured by the mind altering device, turned into a woman, replaced by a robot, forced to fight a Gorn, put in a cage with a savage and his female, loses the love of his life, TWICE, (that charming little Pocahontas or whatever her name was and the peace lady), his son is killed (remember the distraught look on his face! Heart wrenching! ) he is imprisoned along with Bones in a Klingon penitentiary! He has to fight a guy (literally) twice his size, with balls in his knees (fortunately) plus countless other things that I have overlooked... I doubt Chekov came anywhere close to being that abused.

 

[Makarov]

I think it would be TNG: Torture Worf with the amount of times he gets knocked out.

They should have the get-stabbed-in-the-heart thing be a required holodeck experience for all captains, then they would be as even tempered as Picard

 

[tharpdevenport]

Data stabbed Troi multiple times in a lift. And if it counts, Data used a knife to cut a Troi cake that had Troi's real head at the top.

And if it counts, didn't Worf kill somebody with a bat'leth? That scene of him slamming it down like an axe, has been re-used multiple times in the TNG Recut Youtube channel.

 

[T'Girl]

Kirk was once stabbed in the back by a Orion disguised as a Andorian.

 

[Cyke101]

Data stabbed Troi multiple times in a lift.

Jesus, I forgot about that. The android with the strength of 10 men and who could easily manhandle any Klingon easily was the one stabbing the psychiatrist.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Speaking of Data, how about when he headbutts a klingon? I remember laughing when I first saw that one!