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The sixth doctor debate

The format change, JNT's concept of "adult" writing and the fact that Colin's Doctor wasn't very thoughtout were all factors in how bad his first season was. JNT should've left either with Peter Davison or after Colin's first season.
 
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It was the 80's. Six was just keeping right up with the times.

Yeah, I think there is something to be said for the 1980s point and his attitude was probably reflective of the times too.

wasn't the charm of the Doctor was he was supposed to dress outside the times, as a sort of clue to his being outside the normal time stream as a time traveler?? I mean from the 1920s style, the vagabond, to the dandy, the space numb, to the cricket player, they seemed to be on track, but high mainstream fashion at the height of the 80s?? I just can't buy into that one, respectfully... seven was an improvement..but the question marks on the shirt lapels was very comical, almost like an obvious pun, and still that batman 60s camp that detracted from what could have been an excellent run stylistically..

I have seen some fan made mode to the dale serial of colons with new voice modulation, CGI changes, music and lighting, if BBC redid that as a remastered episode, it would be quite good. Tho the DJ was a bit annoying..
 
Okay, the GIF is amazing. What the hell is it from?

I have to admit, I really like the Sixth Doctor. I think most of my opinion is down to the fact of how my exposure to that particular Doctor went down. Last year I watched Mark of the Rani and hated him, Two Doctors immediately afterwards improved him slightly, but he was still the worst. But then I listened to The Sirens of Time and I loved his portrayal in that. Even in the first Big Finish audio they manage to elevate him. Then my viewing of Trial of the Timelord I was more forgiving of it and mostly he's better there then his previous series. Recently I watched Twin Dilemma and he was awful in that, as was the whole serial in my opinion, but because I already had the foundation built a dodgy post-regeneration story wasn't enough to put me off.

The first couple of Big Finish with Evelyn have helped too.

when I watched my first Sixth Doctor serial last year
 
I liked the Sixth Doctor (including his crazy costume), but most of his stories didn't grab me. I thought the initial idea of an unstable Doctor was a great change of pace, but it couldn't be sustained for very long at all. I think ultimately the Sixth was a larger-than-life Doctor who didn't mince words with others. I saw a lot of the First and Third Doctors in the Sixth, but coupled with a sarcastic sense of humor and a devil-may-care flamboyance. He was the most alien of the Doctors, the one who was perhaps the most critical of Humans, and a complete 180 from the Fifth...I could see how that--along with unpopular adventures--makes him often the least liked among fans.

The Big Finish adventures have helped to improve the Sixth for some fans, but I'm inclined to think that's the kind of Doctor that Colin really wanted to play onscreen if he'd had his way, IMO.
 
Well I think that the most brilliant adventure besides the obvious ones was definitely the two doctors..there was something decidedly different about Colin's acting there, which had a more modern feel to his attitude. Tho killing an enemy did shock me..what I find interesting is the clues spread throughout the series beginning with the three doctors, then the five doctors and on to the two doctors, as to how Patrick troughtons doctor could keep showing up, and usually out of time at the behest of the time lords..

I was intrigued to see him with the sixth, which confirmed my suspicions that the second doctor was secretly being used by the cia for a time..remember him saying to the brigadier in the five doctors, that he wasn't exactly breaking the laws of time but bending them, and then in the two doctors he's on a secret mission with Jaime to halt the time travel experiments on that space station.. that two doctors story is very significant in my view, and also we get to see Colin without that jacket.

Thanks to that episode, it really puts Patrick troughton's doctor as the one who has had the most interactions with his later selves then any of the others..

Not so sure it does.

The first Doctor had interactions with the

2nd Doctor in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors
3rd Doctor in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors
5th Doctor in The Five Doctors

Total = 5

2nd Doctor had interactions with

3rd Doctor in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors
5th Doctor in The Five Doctors
6th Doctor in The Two Doctors

Total = 4

Unless I've missed a multi-Doctor episode where they had direct interaction. Of course in terms of actor playing the role then Troughton would have interacted the most.
 
Even in terms of the actor playing the role you could argue it's a tie between Troughton and Davison given Five interacted with 1, 2 and 3 in The Five Doctors, and Ten in Time Crash.
 
The first Doctor had interactions with the

2nd Doctor in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors
3rd Doctor in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors
5th Doctor in The Five Doctors

Total = 5

2nd Doctor had interactions with

3rd Doctor in The Three Doctors and The Five Doctors
5th Doctor in The Five Doctors
6th Doctor in The Two Doctors

Total = 4

Unless I've missed a multi-Doctor episode where they had direct interaction. Of course in terms of actor playing the role then Troughton would have interacted the most.

Surely the 2nd Doctor also interacted with the First Doctor.
 
I'm sorry my text earlier sucks so bad. I hate auto text, no matter what I type, instead of a miss aligned letter, I now have to go back and adjust whole words. It was supposed to make things easier, but it doesn't feel that way, especially if you have to keep imputing words.. plus now we have predictive programming for TV shows, spies with algorithms to predict where you go online, where you shop, so they can feed you similar products..just leave me alone. I will decide what I like, what I want... sorry this invasion of privacy, and predictive technology bothers the heck out of me... in addition to that prior post, which was a great example of shoddy auto texts...uggghh
 
Yeah, I think there is something to be said for the 1980s point and his attitude was probably reflective of the times too.

wasn't the charm of the Doctor was he was supposed to dress outside the times, as a sort of clue to his being outside the normal time stream as a time traveler?? I mean from the 1920s style, the vagabond, to the dandy, the space numb, to the cricket player, they seemed to be on track, but high mainstream fashion at the height of the 80s?? ..

In-universe, sure. But writers, directors, show-runners etc are influenced by what's going on around them. Patrick Troughton has a Beatle haircut. Jon Pertwee's take had aspects of Danger man and other TV secret agents. And compare Peter Davison's outfit with those worn by the main characters in the then-hugely popular Brideshead Revisited. They've all been influenced by things which were popular at the time.

Besides, I don't think that Six's outfit would've constituted high mainstream fashion, even in that decade that taste forgot. But like the 80s, he and his costume were bold, bright, brash and in your face. I don't think that was coincidental.
 
The sixth Doctor is brilliant on audio. Better written, and allowing Colin Baker to play the part how he would have really wanted. And you don't have to look at the costume. The absolutely greatest triumph of Big Finish is the rehabilitation of the sixth Doctor.
I agree.

The sixth Doctor comic strips were great too. He may be the only Doctor where the spin-off material is consistently better than the tv version.
Bring back Frobisher!
 
Yeah, I think there is something to be said for the 1980s point and his attitude was probably reflective of the times too.

wasn't the charm of the Doctor was he was supposed to dress outside the times, as a sort of clue to his being outside the normal time stream as a time traveler?? I mean from the 1920s style, the vagabond, to the dandy, the space numb, to the cricket player, they seemed to be on track, but high mainstream fashion at the height of the 80s?? ..

In-universe, sure. But writers, directors, show-runners etc are influenced by what's going on around them. Patrick Troughton has a Beatle haircut. Jon Pertwee's take had aspects of Danger man and other TV secret agents. And compare Peter Davison's outfit with those worn by the main characters in the then-hugely popular Brideshead Revisited. They've all been influenced by things which were popular at the time.

Besides, I don't think that Six's outfit would've constituted high mainstream fashion, even in that decade that taste forgot. But like the 80s, he and his costume were bold, bright, brash and in your face. I don't think that was coincidental.

The outfit was called "totally tasteless" and was meant to represent the Doctor's ability to move from idea to idea.
 
I Suppose You Are Right. Tho I Did Love The Blue Coat Version. He Looked Great In Blue. Even If It Was Only An Action Figure. I Did Note That The Chameleon Circuit Was First Reused And There Was An Introduction To MondaS Which Was Also Very Epic To The Canon Of The Universe. It Was Also The First Time We Got To See The Chameleon Circuit's Actual Parts Too.
 
I thought Big Finish had it as he swapped to blue in their later stories, and canon says he switches back after picking Mel up again. Though I guess technically we don't 'see' it there.
 
FWIW, I think the killer blow was introducing the new Doctor at the season end. It let the writers see it, not realizing he was supposed to be post-regen crazy, so he ended up odd and nasty far longer than planned.

Well, yes; introducing the new Doctor at the season end and making him nasty and unlikeable. If Castrovalva had been tacked onto the end of Season 18 it probably would have been a different story.
 
I thought Big Finish had it as he swapped to blue in their later stories, and canon says he switches back after picking Mel up again. Though I guess technically we don't 'see' it there.
Real Time, with Evelyn Smythe is Flash Animated and he is wearing the solid blue coat, so, that's kinda Canonical Onscreen Evidence (BBC was involved in making it, correct?)
 
I thought Big Finish had it as he swapped to blue in their later stories, and canon says he switches back after picking Mel up again. Though I guess technically we don't 'see' it there.
Real Time, with Evelyn Smythe is Flash Animated and he is wearing the solid blue coat, so, that's kinda Canonical Onscreen Evidence (BBC was involved in making it, correct?)
Yeah, but the thing with that is, Real Time is sorta non-canon - and by sorta, I mean by the mouth of its writer.

That said, I SO prefer the Sixth with the blue coat. So much easier in the eye, and helps him have his own personality.
 
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