The sheer emotion of that trailer

[Peter the Younger]

Absolutely. I watched the teaser and thought, this is where the previous regime was always afraid to go: real, raw emotion, real character arcs, portraying human beings (and Vulcans, and Romulans) as flawed creatures and not highly evolved, morally perfect snobs.

The most promising bits were definitely Pike's challenge to Kirk ("your father was captain of a starship for 12 minutes..."), the shot of Kirk sitting in the chair. But the one that surprised me the most was Nero's "Fire everything!" It's so raw, it made you realize how cheesy and/or flat most of the bridge battle scenes have been in the past. You could feel something in the character's mind behind it, something that probably went like this: "oh fuck oh fuck no no why can't I kill Kirk he's not a legend he's just a man!" Of course, I'm a sucker for moments like that, when the enemy starts to lose his marbles and wonders if his opponent is defeatable at all.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Absolutely. I watched the teaser and thought, this is where the previous regime was always afraid to go: real, raw emotion, real character arcs, portraying human beings (and Vulcans, and Romulans) as flawed creatures and not highly evolved, morally perfect snobs.

The most promising bits were definitely Pike's challenge to Kirk ("your father was captain of a starship for 12 minutes..."), the shot of Kirk sitting in the chair. But the one that surprised me the most was Nero's "Fire everything!" It's so raw, it made you realize how cheesy and/or flat most of the bridge battle scenes have been in the past. You could feel something in the character's mind behind it, something that probably went like this: "oh fuck oh fuck no no why can't I kill Kirk he's not a legend he's just a man!" Of course, I'm a sucker for moments like that, when the enemy starts to lose his marbles and wonders if his opponent is defeatable at all.

yes. as I said earlier, bana took a line that could have been cheesy and made it work. it looked like he and Abrahms took the character and his motivations and desperation seriously. "Fire everything" gives me chills.

 

[Procutus]

But the one that surprised me the most was Nero's "Fire everything!" It's so raw, it made you realize how cheesy and/or flat most of the bridge battle scenes have been in the past. You could feel something in the character's mind behind it

Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that line was delivered with such high emotion that it went beyond being over the top and came across as sheer desperation. I've never given Bana much thought in the past, but this role may cement him as an actor I really respect.

 

[I am not Spock]

The trailer is awesome, yes. I'm pumped for this movie now.

The alternate timeline that Orci mentioned explains perfectly why Captain April and Gary Mitchell are nowhere to be seen in this movie. After the destruction of the Kelvin, maybe Starfleet rushes the Enterprise project into action sooner than in the original Trek timeline. Pike becomes the first captain. Maybe in JJs universe, Kirk never met Mitchell?

 

[I am not Spock]

But the one that surprised me the most was Nero's "Fire everything!" It's so raw, it made you realize how cheesy and/or flat most of the bridge battle scenes have been in the past. You could feel something in the character's mind behind it

Man, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that line was delivered with such high emotion that it went beyond being over the top and came across as sheer desperation. I've never given Bana much thought in the past, but this role may cement him as an actor I really respect.

Agreed. Nero and Bana should be awesome, and much better than Berman's attempt to make Shinzon a 'badass' in the Nemesis trailer (Set a course for Earth..kill everything')

 

[Procutus]

After the destruction of the Kelvin, maybe Starfleet rushes the Enterprise project into action sooner than in the original Trek timeline. Pike becomes the first captain. Maybe in JJs universe, Kirk never met Mitchell?

I'll go along with you on the idea that Kirk never met Mitchell in this universe, but it appears that the Big E gets launched later than in the 'original' universe. If we believe the conjectural date used by the Okudas (and confirmed in ENT in the two-part Mirror Universe ep) then the Enterprise was launched in 2245. As near as I can determine, JJ's E is launched about 25 years after Kirk is born, or 2255 (about ten years before Kirk assumes command in 'our' universe).

I'm really beginning to think that this all takes place in the past of a totally different universe, not ours. Which means the events of ENT may or may not have taken place here.

 

[Brent]

I had to change my diaper after watching the trailer, now 25 times

 

[Procutus]

I had to change my diaper after watching the trailer, now 25 times

You watched the trailer 25 times, or you changed your diaper that many times?

 

[Procutus]

^

Actually, it looks like you've changed your av 25 times1

 

[the quickening]

No, no, no. You've got me all wrong. I realize that ID4 had some serious problems - after the fact. But see, the thing is that I don't go to movies to pick them apart. I go to enjoy myself.

Please, don't take this the wrong way, but it frightens me that the whole world has now become so hedonistic and starved for thrills that even crappy films are making major killings at the box office--and getting good reviews for it. It's always been there, but now it's getting worse. Critics and public alike are being seduced by all this dreck.

 

[Tom Servo]

No, no, no. You've got me all wrong. I realize that ID4 had some serious problems - after the fact. But see, the thing is that I don't go to movies to pick them apart. I go to enjoy myself.

Please, don't take this the wrong way, but it frightens me that the whole world has now become so hedonistic and starved for thrills that even crappy films are making major killings at the box office--and getting good reviews for it. It's always been there, but now it's getting worse. Critics and public alike are being seduced by all this dreck.

Well since everything about whether or not someone likes a film is opinion, I don't think there is a way to say that people are liking crappier films nowadays. You may not like it, but there is no way to say that in general the bit hit films are of lesser quality, since there is no quantifiable number to measure.

 

[Aragorn]

Outside of The Asylum, Uwe Boll and Jason Friedberg/Aaron Seltzer (Date Movie, Epic Movie, Disaster Movie, Meet the Spartans, etc.), liking or hating a movie is pretty subjective.

 

[the quickening]

No, no, no. You've got me all wrong. I realize that ID4 had some serious problems - after the fact. But see, the thing is that I don't go to movies to pick them apart. I go to enjoy myself.

Please, don't take this the wrong way, but it frightens me that the whole world has now become so hedonistic and starved for thrills that even crappy films are making major killings at the box office--and getting good reviews for it. It's always been there, but now it's getting worse. Critics and public alike are being seduced by all this dreck.

Well since everything about whether or not someone likes a film is opinion, I don't think there is a way to say that people are liking crappier films nowadays. You may not like it, but there is no way to say that in general the bit hit films are of lesser quality, since there is no quantifiable number to measure.

I wouldn't say everything is about opinion, but of course I'm offering one up, and it's shared by film historians, who have been viewing films for decades. The 70's was the last decade of consistent, quality film making out of Hollywood. It's been going downhill for decades, and has just gotten worse. The technical elements have improved, all the rest has just become junk. THE STAR WARS PREQUELS, SPIDERMAN 3, INDIANA JONES 4, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2 & 3, and I can go on and on, are just terrible films--making tons of money and getting fair to good notices. It's just sickening.

 

[trevanian]

Please, don't take this the wrong way, but it frightens me that the whole world has now become so hedonistic and starved for thrills that even crappy films are making major killings at the box office--and getting good reviews for it. It's always been there, but now it's getting worse. Critics and public alike are being seduced by all this dreck.

Well since everything about whether or not someone likes a film is opinion, I don't think there is a way to say that people are liking crappier films nowadays. You may not like it, but there is no way to say that in general the bit hit films are of lesser quality, since there is no quantifiable number to measure.

I wouldn't say everything is about opinion, but of course I'm offering one up, and it's shared by film historians, who have been viewing films for decades. The 70's was the last decade of consistent, quality film making out of Hollywood. It's been going downhill for decades, and has just gotten worse. The technical elements have improved, all the rest has just become junk. THE STAR WARS PREQUELS, SPIDERMAN 3, INDIANA JONES 4, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2 & 3, and I can go on and on, are just terrible films--making tons of money and getting fair to good notices. It's just sickening.

I'd agree almost wholeheartedly, with the caveat that the independent film now is carving out a necessary niche that offsets a tiny bit of the overbudget crap. Even some of the smaller studio efforts are decent, like GATTACA, and for awhile HBO was doing very well with smart fare (I'd've paid good money to see BARBARIANS AT THE GATE in a theater.) The tradeoff is that you don't ever get years at the theater now like you did in 1974, which might as well have been 1939 or 1941 in terms of golden goodness (actually, 74 may have been platinum goodness, even though I couldn't get into all of the films yet due to age.)

I also don't see an overriding 'theme' to the films of this time like there was in the mid-70s, where the political paranoia aspect was more than a sub-genre, it was just often a part of the truth in storytelling. You'd figure that with more tools, that there could be greater sophistication in the storytelling, but it seems more like a fascination with the tools than significant exploration using them (I haven't seen BUTTON, but to me Fincher's PANIC ROOM seemed more a DePalma like exercise, a huge comedown from the brilliance of SE7EN, which seems to me to do everything right, kind of like Kubrick's PATHS OF GLORY.)

And I'd add the miserable sequels to MATRIX into your list of big disappointments, for my money those things are so flawed they actually hurt my memories of the first one, which, for all its borrowings, was very entertaining and still had some thought content.

 

[Amaris]

Please, don't take this the wrong way, but it frightens me that the whole world has now become so hedonistic and starved for thrills that even crappy films are making major killings at the box office--and getting good reviews for it. It's always been there, but now it's getting worse. Critics and public alike are being seduced by all this dreck.

Well since everything about whether or not someone likes a film is opinion, I don't think there is a way to say that people are liking crappier films nowadays. You may not like it, but there is no way to say that in general the bit hit films are of lesser quality, since there is no quantifiable number to measure.

I wouldn't say everything is about opinion, but of course I'm offering one up, and it's shared by film historians, who have been viewing films for decades. The 70's was the last decade of consistent, quality film making out of Hollywood. It's been going downhill for decades, and has just gotten worse. The technical elements have improved, all the rest has just become junk. THE STAR WARS PREQUELS, SPIDERMAN 3, INDIANA JONES 4, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2 & 3, and I can go on and on, are just terrible films--making tons of money and getting fair to good notices. It's just sickening.

Granted, there are what I believe to be horrible movies, but if it helps someone relax, and it makes people happy, why do you care?
Not being snarky, just an honest question. Why does it matter to you?

J.

 

[Tom Servo]

Please, don't take this the wrong way, but it frightens me that the whole world has now become so hedonistic and starved for thrills that even crappy films are making major killings at the box office--and getting good reviews for it. It's always been there, but now it's getting worse. Critics and public alike are being seduced by all this dreck.

Well since everything about whether or not someone likes a film is opinion, I don't think there is a way to say that people are liking crappier films nowadays. You may not like it, but there is no way to say that in general the bit hit films are of lesser quality, since there is no quantifiable number to measure.

I wouldn't say everything is about opinion, but of course I'm offering one up, and it's shared by film historians, who have been viewing films for decades. The 70's was the last decade of consistent, quality film making out of Hollywood. It's been going downhill for decades, and has just gotten worse. The technical elements have improved, all the rest has just become junk. THE STAR WARS PREQUELS, SPIDERMAN 3, INDIANA JONES 4, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 2 & 3, and I can go on and on, are just terrible films--making tons of money and getting fair to good notices. It's just sickening.

The problem is that all that is opinion, none of it is fact. You can certainly think that, and in some ways I agree with you, but you can't state it as fact.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Every time I watch the trailer, it makes my eyes well up. Its very very powerful trailer, from Pike's words to Nero's scream, it's all just so EPIC!

 

[goran'agar]

The lines that I keep recounting in my head are "JTK was a great man, but that was another life!" and "FIRE EVERYTHING"

just goes to show the intensity of Bana's performance

 

[Kirk1980]

I don't know...the FIRE EVERYTHING! gets a thumbs up but the rest of the lines seem...bleh. I mean, they just sound so overwrought, overemoted, overdone that it hardly seems like a real person speaking anymore.

 

[Rii]

I don't know...the FIRE EVERYTHING! gets a thumbs up but the rest of the lines seem...bleh. I mean, they just sound so overwrought, overemoted, overdone that it hardly seems like a real person speaking anymore.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a majority, but there are definitely several awkward lines in this and previous trailers. For the moment I'm putting it down to the soundbyte form in which they've been presented, I think they'll work better in context.