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The Shannara Chronicles

Me too. The only reason I noticed was cause I think she was the only one who kept changing clothes!



I think the people did not believe in magic or demons as it was all folktales to them now. They were more concerned with Amberle abandoning her post as a chosen one. It took 'some' convincing that the dying tree would continue to release more demons into the world unless they save it. (re-plant it). Thus needing the council to reinstate her as a 'chosen one' and allow her to go on the quest.

That's the thing though. IF they didn't believe in magic or demons, what were they worried might go wrong? What did they have to lose? And whether they believe in magic or not, what other option did they have? She was the only remaining chosen one.

As a council member voting "yes" is the only real option for a couple reasons.
If you believe in magic:
The girl is your only chance. There simply is no other option for saving the tree.
If you don't believe in magic:
What can it hurt to let the girl try some foolish quest? If it somehow works out, "yay! she saved us". (and I voted for her)

vote "no" and there are two outcomes:
Fight a war with whatever is coming (remember, we don't believe in demons at this point)
or
The girl sneaks into the tree and does the quest anyway, saving everyone (only now, you voted against her)
 
What I don't understand is why no one believes in magic. It's only been "dead" for one generation, tops; the king was certainly around to bear witness to it and even hung out with a druid. And if they really didn't believe in magic or demons, why did they fight so hard just so they can get locked in a room with a tree for a year, one they even have to bond with upon winning?

Just... what?
 
What I don't understand is why no one believes in magic. It's only been "dead" for one generation, tops; the king was certainly around to bear witness to it and even hung out with a druid.

Two generations, actually -- Amberle is the king's granddaughter. And the king has spent those two generations actively telling his people that magic was dead and gone from the world.

It's no worse than Han Solo or Rey believing the Jedi were a myth. At least people in the Four Lands accept that there used to be magic.

And if they really didn't believe in magic or demons, why did they fight so hard just so they can get locked in a room with a tree for a year, one they even have to bond with upon winning?

Why do people work so hard to become pro athletes and win the playoffs or World Series or Wimbledon? Why do they compete to become Miss America or win American Idol or get an Oscar? People want to be among the Chosen.
 
That's the thing though. IF they didn't believe in magic or demons, what were they worried might go wrong?

Sorry, I should have added that Amberle did break the law (abandoning her post in their eyes) and her punishment would probably have prevented her from doing the quest (house arrest? imprisonment?). So they had to convince the council of the situation and such.
 
Two generations, actually -- Amberle is the king's granddaughter.
Right, and that would make it dead for one generation, as he and his entire generation was around while it was still active, with the others having no reason to pass that knowledge on to their children. So only Amberlee's generation would have a legitimate reason to believe it be non-existent. Not that it matters either way as it's silly no matter what. It's like saying "pfft, rotary phones never existed, duh" today just because most people in their age bracket have never seen one outside of television or movies.

And it was still blatantly active anyway, as the Ellcrys demonstrates when it chooses whether to accept someone or not after each competition (and how it appeared to reject Amberlee at first, or at least should have appeared that way to everyone gathered for the ceremony).

And the king has spent those two generations actively telling his people that magic was dead and gone from the world.
Which is also ridiculous. What possible reason would he have to do so? And even if he did, how is there no one else around who bore witness to it?

It's no worse than Han Solo or Rey believing the Jedi were a myth.
You say that like it's not equally as ridiculous.

Why do people work so hard to become pro athletes and win the playoffs or World Series or Wimbledon? Why do they compete to become Miss America or win American Idol or get an Oscar?
With the exception of the Oscar (which people don't actively compete for, I dunno where you got that idea), all of those have the same motivation: Wealth.
 
Sorry, I should have added that Amberle did break the law (abandoning her post in their eyes) and her punishment would probably have prevented her from doing the quest (house arrest? imprisonment?). So they had to convince the council of the situation and such.
Which is what the rest of my post that you didn't quote went into explaining why voting "no" was still a bad idea and no real choice.
 
Right, and that would make it dead for one generation, as he and his entire generation was around while it was still active, with the others having no reason to pass that knowledge on to their children. So only Amberlee's generation would have a legitimate reason to believe it be non-existent.

Again, though, they don't believe it never existed, just that it died out in the wars. It would be like, say, someone claiming today that Hitler was still alive. We know he was alive in the past, but the notion that he could still be alive now would be dismissed as ridiculous.


And it was still blatantly active anyway, as the Ellcrys demonstrates when it chooses whether to accept someone or not after each competition (and how it appeared to reject Amberlee at first, or at least should have appeared that way to everyone gathered for the ceremony).

But that could've been seen as just a ritual, a metaphor. I got the sense that Amberle was the only one who experienced any kind of vision when she touched the tree, though I could be misremembering. If it only reacts if it rejects you, then the lack of reaction could be taken ritually as acceptance, and could be seen as just a part of the old ritual that has no literal meaning.


Which is also ridiculous. What possible reason would he have to do so? And even if he did, how is there no one else around who bore witness to it?

Again: They know magic used to exist. They just believe it died out in the wars. The king said as much to Allanon. He believed that the druids and demons had all died out and that magic had died out with them.


You say that like it's not equally as ridiculous.

No, I'm saying that if people are willing to suspend disbelief for that story, they can do the same for this one. Not everything in a story actually has to be convincing; you just have to choose to play along. Or not, as you see fit.


With the exception of the Oscar (which people don't actively compete for, I dunno where you got that idea), all of those have the same motivation: Wealth.

Wealth is just a form of social approval. Look at the way the rich behave and tell me that they don't consider themselves a chosen elite.
 
It had been thousands of years since magic was commoplac. The later books show the magic coming back but in the time of the Elfstones storyline only Allanon and few others use magic.

But then forthe purpose of ths story if there were others Allanon could depend on he wouldn't need Wil. But it's easyto see he's just using Wil since Wil is the only other person with any kind of magic in the four lands he can depend on to keep Amberle safe.
 
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This thread makes me want to read the books. How good are the books? I am bad at books. I lose interest and sometimes I lose the actual books.
 
I found the books fairly easy to read but then I read the first seven as they came out. By comparison I can't even get though Fellowship Of The Ring.
 
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while dressing it as a prequel, always felt like First King was more of a do-over on that front, and a more original version of what Sword should have been. Tweak about 5 minutes at the end of that book, and you could start right into Elfstones with everything fitting perfectly.
 
I found the books fairly easy to read but then I read the first seven as they came out. By comparison I can't even get though Followship Of The Ring.
I don't know if that was intentional or not, but it made me laugh.
 
I found the books fairly easy to read but then I read the first seven as they came out. By comparison I can't even get though Fellowship Of The Ring.

I'm glad the books are easy to read. When I was reading A Game of Thrones, I would sometimes just stop reading it and pick it back up weeks or months later. I'm still trying to finish the 2nd book. As for the LotR books, I'm not going to even try.
 
I've read LOTR many times but I doubt I'll ever reread it again.

GoT was okay.. but so padded out. I want a zippy tale, not endless description. Watching Shannara I was thinking about how in the book certain scenes probably went on for pages and pages and pages.

Finished the first 4, enjoyed the story itself quite a lot. I'm finding the terrible acting and costumes kind of endearing, it's like throwback tv.
 
I've read LOTR many times but I doubt I'll ever reread it again.

GoT was okay.. but so padded out. I want a zippy tale, not endless description. Watching Shannara I was thinking about how in the book certain scenes probably went on for pages and pages and pages.
I'm only about 50-75 pages into the book, but so far there have not been any direct book-to-screen recreations of scenes. Similar stuff has happened, but it's playing out very different.
Taking that into account, it's been pretty fast paced so far. None of the scenes have really dragged on that much.
 
I'm enjoying this show far more than I have any right to. Am I enjoying the show because the good outweighs the bad or is it that I'm so desperate for high fantasy on TV that my standards are incredibly low? I'm not quite sure.
 
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I really like the pace of the show. As gorgeous as GoT is last season there were multiple episodes where barely anything happened. Which was fine, because it was pretty and had great actors. But I love the Shannara pace where they don't bother with all that high falutin' scene setting and foreshadowing they just kill things, act horrified, and argue. Okay the arguing is a bit Youth Fiction but I like that genre.
 
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