They are.
The safety of Transporters.. Tmp and more.
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Maybe the backup module wasn't created until after Jetel died. They realized that hey, we might need two EMH's at some point (or a spare, if number one went bonkers again). So, whatever was making the EMH impossible to duplicate, they had B'Elanna crack it, and made a backup.
Easy enough to explain, with a little work. Just like those endless torpedoes.
Easy enough to explain, with a little work. Just like those endless torpedoes.
Tom is forced to eat Neelix's slop instead of replicator food because of all the energy they wasted on repairs and new flyers
With the time and resources they spent repairing Voyager from one disaster to another they could have built a fleet of Voyagers!!
With the time and resources they spent repairing Voyager from one disaster to another they could have built a fleet of Voyagers!!
They're a bunch of nit-wits.
They literally backed up the doctor on a seperate EMH Backup memory module that was stolen by the Kyrians and that instance of 'The Doctor' lived a seperate life as seen in the episode "Living Witness" from 'The Doctor' that got home with Janeway and crew.
The can EASILY clone 'The Doctor' because he is a program and run multiple instances if they wanted to.
We've seen Picardo act side-by-side with himself.
In the future, I wouldn't be surprised if every officer had a small suitcase of Holographic Helpers that covered every specific subject matter and their own personal Portable Flying (via mini built-in Anti-Grav unit) Mobile Emitter the size of a current day Hockey Puck that had the built in Mobile Emitter, Tricorder, Multi-Spectral Electro-Optical sensors, Anti-Grav Unit, Shields, and Type-1 Phaser all built into that compact Hockey Puck like body.
Exactly!
Imagine one Organic Officer, surrounded by a dozen Androids that accompanies the Organic Officer as helpers.
Each Android carries a dozen flying autonomous Mobile Emitters in their backpacks along with other gear.
1 + 12 +144 = 157
That's 157 BiPaB (Bi<Pedal & Brachial>oid) bodies in the field doing R&D per Organic Officer.
Now multiple that by a dozen Organic Officers for each away team.
That's 1,884 bodies doing each Away team mission.
Imagine how thorough every away mission could possibly be.
Imagine how easy it would be to digitally copy & paste mass produced extras on screen.
Now imagine even more officers chasing said disgruntled Federation Officer with even more of them! =D
We go to great lengths today to prevent copying. Perhaps it only takes a couple of centuries for us to finally succeed?
The folks of all Trek eras hate and fear Doppelgängers. The moment a simulation gains identity, it may become uncopyable in the moral and legal sense, which then simply makes it flip that bit that makes it copy-proof forever.
We could equally well assume that we know zip about future computing, though. There's no inherent reason to think that complex computer-generated things could be treated as "sets of data" in any fundamental or practical sense.
Both approaches would cover not just the inability to copy our beloved quirky Doctor, but the inability to activate another program of the same sort aboard the same starship. In the first interpretation, the moral-legal subroutine just happens to be sufficiently cautious. In the second, technical limitations might exist so that the medical expertise the Doctor possesses can only be drawn from the databanks by his program, and he has to die before another EMH can start drawing it.
Creating extra holo-doctors is of course possible, as in "Nothing Human". And our heroes shouldn't be stuck with just trying to circumvent the blocks on copying their own holo-Doctor if all they want is a backup healer. But most of the "no can do" arguments on backing up the EMH relate to trying to protect the life of the quirky Doctor specifically.
Timo Saloniemi
The folks of all Trek eras hate and fear Doppelgängers. The moment a simulation gains identity, it may become uncopyable in the moral and legal sense, which then simply makes it flip that bit that makes it copy-proof forever.
We could equally well assume that we know zip about future computing, though. There's no inherent reason to think that complex computer-generated things could be treated as "sets of data" in any fundamental or practical sense.
Both approaches would cover not just the inability to copy our beloved quirky Doctor, but the inability to activate another program of the same sort aboard the same starship. In the first interpretation, the moral-legal subroutine just happens to be sufficiently cautious. In the second, technical limitations might exist so that the medical expertise the Doctor possesses can only be drawn from the databanks by his program, and he has to die before another EMH can start drawing it.
Creating extra holo-doctors is of course possible, as in "Nothing Human". And our heroes shouldn't be stuck with just trying to circumvent the blocks on copying their own holo-Doctor if all they want is a backup healer. But most of the "no can do" arguments on backing up the EMH relate to trying to protect the life of the quirky Doctor specifically.
Timo Saloniemi
Or the Holo Doctor can evolve to have one mind / code base and multiple bodies where he can operate out of.
Take advantage of his Holographic nature and be in multiple places simultaneously.
Take advantage of his Holographic nature and be in multiple places simultaneously.
I'm sure it could be done in the technological sense. But the precedent is there against all sorts of copying, be it android armies or clones of one's person or backups of simulations. And apparently exactly because people fear the "could" part so much. Android armies and holographic power multipying are scary an sich, and adding a bit more German to it by having them be mentally complex Doppelgängers makes it downright nightmarish.
"Ability to evolve" is another thing there would be deeply buried blocks against, even if there no doubt would also be moral-legal blocks against creating such blocks in things that already have the ability to evolve... Say, Data does fine censoring himself, be it original programming against evolving, or an evolved (!) sense of noncontractionism.
Timo Saloniemi
"Ability to evolve" is another thing there would be deeply buried blocks against, even if there no doubt would also be moral-legal blocks against creating such blocks in things that already have the ability to evolve... Say, Data does fine censoring himself, be it original programming against evolving, or an evolved (!) sense of noncontractionism.
Timo Saloniemi
I was afraid of flying until a friend who studied airplane safety in college disabused me of Bad Ideas I'd gotten from movies. Stupid Irwin Allen.
I'm still waiting to see how a relative of mine will react in this respect to a friend of hers walking away from a general aviation plane crash that killed his copilot but only maimed his face... Planes might not be utterly terrifying all the time, but when they are, they do a very good job at it!
(They beat automobiles in terms of gore only to a certain degree, though. The extra kinetic energy helps in cleaning up after that certain point.)
I wonder whether a transporter could ever fail in a non-terrifying fashion. Almost every time things go south, we see or hear something arrive somewhere, and supposedly it is not a pretty sight. We never saw poor Franklin, though. A "percentage of survival" isn't particularly gory unless you think about it hard.
Timo Saloniemi
(They beat automobiles in terms of gore only to a certain degree, though. The extra kinetic energy helps in cleaning up after that certain point.)
I wonder whether a transporter could ever fail in a non-terrifying fashion. Almost every time things go south, we see or hear something arrive somewhere, and supposedly it is not a pretty sight. We never saw poor Franklin, though. A "percentage of survival" isn't particularly gory unless you think about it hard.
Timo Saloniemi
Worf, Riker, & Geordi were smart enough to not re-materialize his highly degraded pattern.
It would have been organic paste.
Or the TMP transporter accident redux.
What they got wouldn't have lived long...fortunately.
Gross.
The Transporter is one of the less consistent things in Star Trek and what's more, it's pretty obvious that they don't even try. Depending on the episodes they're either transformed into particles, or basically, radio emissions of computer data or they're conscious the whole time, and as one even said "You can feel yourself in both places at the same time." Microbes and even people can live there for several days or maybe even months. People there look like giant worms with a mouth. It's a mess!
Good one.
That's from ENT "Fortunate Son" [http://www.chakoteya.net/Enterprise/10.htm]:RYAN: That's a transporter.
(He gazes at the alcove.)
TRAVIS: Enterprise came with all the trimmings.
RYAN: I've read about them. Have you been through it?
TRAVIS: Not yet. Most of the crew is afraid, but I'm kind of curious to try it out.
RYAN: They say that for a split second you can actually feel yourself in both places at once.
(He gazes at the alcove.)
TRAVIS: Enterprise came with all the trimmings.
RYAN: I've read about them. Have you been through it?
TRAVIS: Not yet. Most of the crew is afraid, but I'm kind of curious to try it out.
RYAN: They say that for a split second you can actually feel yourself in both places at once.
That reminds me of a somewhat similar thing from TNG "The Schizoid Man" [http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/131.htm]:
LAFORGE: Now remember, this is a near warp transport, so the effects may be a little unusual.
TROI: What do you mean?
RIKER: You'll see, Counsellor. Energise.
TROI: Now wait a minute. I don't understand
[Living room]
DATA: You do now.
TROI: This might sound crazy, but for a moment I thought I was stuck in that wall.
WORF: For a moment, you were.
DATA: Data to Enterprise.
PICARD [OC]: I read you, Commander. Go ahead.
DATA: We are inside Graves' home.
TROI: What do you mean?
RIKER: You'll see, Counsellor. Energise.
TROI: Now wait a minute. I don't understand
[Living room]
DATA: You do now.
TROI: This might sound crazy, but for a moment I thought I was stuck in that wall.
WORF: For a moment, you were.
DATA: Data to Enterprise.
PICARD [OC]: I read you, Commander. Go ahead.
DATA: We are inside Graves' home.
Both provide further evidence that, according to at least some authors of canon, people are conscious while beaming.
