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The safety of Transporters.. Tmp and more.

I don't know why there's degradation in the transporter buffer. Apparently, it's some sort of very unstable computer memory. However, the content of that unstable memory is nothing but data. Data that can be saved on more permanent material, that is to say, computer memory and replicator memory and in the case of Our Man Bashir holosuite memory. The point is, it's just memory, it can be copied and erased or modified. It's not sentient, no more than the words in a book. Nobody would ever argue that the content of a book is self-aware, Why would you do so about computer memory which is basically the same thing?
No.

If it were computer memory, as in digital computer memory, a finite stream of "words" that can each assume only a finite number of states as if from an alphabet, then it could be duplicated indefinitely, and the transporter would be capable of being a 3D printer that could run off perfect copies of a person an endless number of times. It can't do that, ergo it's not computer memory like that.
 
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Here's the entire Transporter Process:
Stage 1 & 2:
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Stage 3 & 4:
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There's 2x Parts to the Transporter System:

+ The Matter Stream
The 'Phase Transition Coils' begins to disassemble you on a atomic level by partially unbinding the atomic energy at a Sub-Atomic level.
NOTE: There are LIMITS to this process since the Matter Stream can be held in the Pattern Buffer (Which sits right below the Transporter Pad and is about the size of an entire deck) for 420 seconds (7 minutes) before degradation occurs. That's a the NORMAL limit.

+ The Data Stream:
The 'Molecular Imaging Scanner' makes a detailed scan of every atom in your body and each atoms individual Quantum State
This "Data Portion" can be retained forever and StarFleet has a policy of retaining the last few images of your body at a Atomic Level along with it's Quantum State.

Final Analysis on extending your time in the Patter Buffer in the Transporter:
The pattern buffer is a key component of the transporter system. The buffer is used to temporarily store the matter stream, following dematerialization, but prior to sending the stream to its target whilst the other systems function. This is done because of the relative motion of transporter and target. By temporarily storing the matter stream, the Doppler compensators have the time to adjust the targeting scanners.

A matter stream cannot be stored indefinitely in the buffer; after 420 seconds (7 minutes), the stored pattern will degrade and the object will be lost. The only known record of a person surviving in a buffer longer than the expected figure was Captain Montgomery Scott on board the USS Jenolan, NCC-2010. Following the Jenolan's crash-landing on a Dyson sphere, Scott, with the help of Matt Franklin, was able to store his pattern in the buffer for 75 years. This was achieved by disabling the rematerialization subroutine, connecting the phase inducers to the emitter array, bypassing the override, and locking the buffer into a continuous diagnostic cycle. Although Captain Scott's pattern suffered less than 0.003% degradation, and was successfully recovered by Geordi La Forge of the USS Enterprise-D in 2369, Franklin was irretrievable, as one of the inducers had failed, causing a 53% degradation in his pattern.

Starships can also transfer patterns from one pattern buffer to another by "locking on" to the target buffer and energizing.

To eliminate the medical condition called transporter psychosis, Federation transporters are equipped with multiplex pattern buffers.


What Scotty did was a desperate MacGuyver like "Jerry Rig" of the normal Transporter System.

Scotty himself suffered some degradation at 0.003% of his Molecular structure, survivable & he got lucky by the stroke of the writers pen & Plot Armor.

His buddy Franklin lost 53% of the pattern for whatever reason and he died.

If you intend on pursuing this route of storage, you need to make sure that whatever routine is used to keep the Matter Stream alive and not degrading over time past 7 minutes gets researched and tested thoroughly before putting into practical use.

A 50% survival rate over 75 years isn't good IMO, and who knows what other technical failures could occur.

If your computer hardware dies, power outage to any system, any of the components die due to natural degradation over time or other outside factors.

Storing people in the Pattern Buffer is very risky and not recommended in general.
Yep. lol
 
I would think that even 0.003% would probably be, of not fatal, cause irreparable brain damage. Everything in your CNS kind of has to be "just so".
 
John Billingsley told me there was a scene written for Enterprise where a transporter malfunction had a person emerge with their head where their ass should be.

It ended up they just had a little branch sticking out of their head or some such nonsense.
 
I would think that even 0.003% would probably be, of not fatal, cause irreparable brain damage. Everything in your CNS kind of has to be "just so".
I guess it depends on where that 0.003% is located at.

if it's just a small part of your skin, then it probably doesn't matter.

But if it's parts of your brain O_O.
 
No.

If it were computer memory, as in digital computer memory, a finite stream of "words" that can each assume only a finite number of states as if from an alphabet, then it could be duplicated indefinitely, and the transporter would be capable of being a 3D printer that could run off perfect copies of a person an endless number of times. It can't do that, ergo it's not computer memory like that.

With 24th century computers, that doesn't mean anything. The Doctor is nothing but computer memory, yet, apparently, he can't be duplicated otherwise the Voyager crew would be a bunch of nitwits because there are countless times when duplicating the Doctor would have been a very good idea.
 
With 24th century computers, that doesn't mean anything. The Doctor is nothing but computer memory, yet, apparently, he can't be duplicated otherwise the Voyager crew would be a bunch of nitwits because there are countless times when duplicating the Doctor would have been a very good idea.
The EMH has a "backup module," which was used to activate the Doctor in "Living Witness." Backing up is computer science lingo for copying. It would seem, as in all things Trek, you can't do something — until you can.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/EMH_backup_module
 
What if.... since the transporters are from hundreds of years from now, perhaps there is something about them we just don't understand or haven't discovered yet?

Why not just watch Star Trek and watch them use a transporter without knowing how it works?
Wouldn't be nice? I wonder what it would be like to sit down and watch a show for entertainment and enjoyment rather than a technical or philosophical soliloquy?
 
What if.... since the transporters are from hundreds of years from now, perhaps there is something about them we just don't understand or haven't discovered yet?

Why not just watch Star Trek and watch them use a transporter without knowing how it works?
Exactly. It's magical tech from the future that we couldn't possibly understand. Just lol and roll with people becoming ghosts, or being merged with their co-workers, or beaming across the galaxy once or twice, or being cured of all ills one day but not ever again for no good reason.
 
Wouldn't be nice? I wonder what it would be like to sit down and watch a show for entertainment and enjoyment rather than a technical or philosophical soliloquy?
Who's to say that at least some of us anyway who engage in Treknobabble discussions don't also do that?

The topic of this thread will necessarily involve discussion of Trek Tech elements. At least in this case, the Trek Tech elements of the discussion aren't an infestation to be sterilized, to mix a couple of not dissimilar TOS metaphors.

We could drop a "Q: How do transporters work? A: Pretty well!" thread bomb and the discussion would be over. No one's forcing anyone to be here to discuss transporter safety. But to show up for this thread, IMHO it's natural to expect some discussion of just what's going on Treknically when a person is beamed.
 
Who's to say that at least some of us anyway who engage in Treknobabble discussions don't also do that?
No one.
The topic of this thread will necessarily involve discussion of Trek Tech elements. At least in this case, the Trek Tech elements of the discussion aren't an infestation to be sterilized, to mix a couple of not dissimilar TOS metaphors.
And that's all well and good. Claiming the transporter kills people really makes the enjoyment aspect diminish significantly.
We could drop a "Q: How do transporters work? A: Pretty well!" thread bomb and the discussion would be over. No one's forcing anyone to be here to discuss transporter safety. But to show up for this thread, IMHO it's natural to expect some discussion of just what's going on Treknically when a person is beamed.
We moved from the Treknical to the deaththical rather quickly. And that's not interesting, in my point of view. That's not an honest engagement with the material presented. Even if you're having a discussion part of that discussion would be nice to say "Hey, the people we watch weekly are just corpses from the last people" doesn't sound very good faith.

That's just me though. Maybe my sense of humor is not wired to morbid.
 
No one.

And that's all well and good. Claiming the transporter kills people really makes the enjoyment aspect diminish significantly.

We moved from the Treknical to the deaththical rather quickly. And that's not interesting, in my point of view. That's not an honest engagement with the material presented. Even if you're having a discussion part of that discussion would be nice to say "Hey, the people we watch weekly are just corpses from the last people" doesn't sound very good faith.

That's just me though. Maybe my sense of humor is not wired to morbid.
OK, that's a more specific complaint than just a general wish that everybody just enjoy it without trying to explain it. I felt like anybody trying to discuss "how it works in universe" was getting lumped in there.
 
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