Er, yes he was.
Spoilers The Romulans and the Vulcans (spoilers for Ep2 onward).
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Er, yes he was.
Hard to say if Sybok was the protagonist and not the antagonist in 5, but even if you say he was the protagonist, he still comes off as way more sympathetic than, say, the Batman in 'Batman v Superman' who was totally bent on killing Superman on the slimmest of circumstantial evidence.
wait, Batman was supposed to be a protagonist in that trainwreck?
And yes, Sybok was the main antagonist of FF (that's Final Frontier, not Final Fantasy...or Fast and the Furious)
Wait, what? I was hoping Sybok to be the raid end boss in the next Final Fantasy XIV patch!
"Your pain runs deep, Warrior of Light!"
Sorry, my mistake, I misspoke. I meant that Sybok was the antagonist of STV, and that Cartwright, Valeris and Styles were not the antagonists of their films. I apologize for the confusion.
On the other hand, Deanna was able to sense Data's purely positronic emotions in "Descent." So apparently, with sufficiently advanced artificial life, there's some ineffable quality of consciousness that biological empaths and telepaths are able to sense somehow, even though it's all digital.
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I don't believe Deanna. Every time she was able to 'sense' something, it was pretty obvious to non-empaths anyway
I don't think it really is any weirder than telepathy existing in the first place. A telepath can somehow detect what is going on in ones brain were it via electromagnetism, quantum entanglement or some other means. And whatever the process is that is going on in our meat brain that produces our thoughts and feelings, something similar will be going on in an artificial brain built to mimic ours. So if somehow one can detect the processes in former, I see no reason why similar method of detection would not work on the latter too.
Well, yeah...but you mentioned Vulcans with ridges and I was curious as to who you meant. I cannot recall any Vulcans with natural ridges.They also aren't Romulans
Yeah, I have always assumed "telepathy" just means some sort of communication that we do not understand or cannot perceive.
If an alien visitor came to earth and was not equipped with a very sensitive tympannic membrane, it may not be able to figure out how we are communicating, at least for a little while. We perturb air with very small pressure oscillations at certain frequencies and this is how we communicate. It's pretty awesome, actually.
That seems normal since pretty much every animal on earth can hear more or less within the same frequency zone, but to a visitor it may appear as telepathy. Especially if they come from a low-density environment where 'sound' would not be very effective in the first place.
I read this yesterday and kind of dismissed it. But the more I think about it, the more interesting it becomes, particularly with the question you just asked. Maybe Orum was an actual bio Romulan, a mix of bio and synth Romulans could have left Vulcan in the Sundering and Orum happens to be a bio Romulan. Aren't the producers saying they want to show the diversity of the Romulan people too?
I also kind of wonder if the reason the Romulans communicate in messages instead of face to face in the Romulan War is because the their bio synthetic bodies were not evolved enough not to be clocked?
Like others, I forgot Tallera was posing as a Romulan. I'll still stand by the Mintakans, if they're proto "Vulcans" instead of proto-Romulans then there's ridges.
The whole thing is ridiculous if the Romulans only left Vulcan 2000 years earlier. No way they should have developed ridges, or the Vulcans lost theirs. The Romulans are really grumpy, maybe all the scowling?
They get dropped on their heads a lot as babies. just one of those odd child rearing customs Romulan society developed.
If the theory is correct vulcans wouldn't be androids, they'd still be biological just artificially created. But what is the difference after thousands of years?
Vulcans were portrayed as assholes way back in the 60s
If they were artificially created, they still are an artificially created lifeform, as opposed to humanity, which is the result of a billion years of natural selection.