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Spoilers The Romulans and the Vulcans (spoilers for Ep2 onward).

SG-17 said:
The difference between a transporter clone and a bio-android and augments is that the former is not intentionally created, its an accident. A "blameless" creation. Thomas Riker's status as a person was never in question.
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But even if "bio-synths" were intentionally created, they've been breeding naturally for thousands of years, subject to natural selection, and hybridizing with "natural" forms. Therefore unless you believe in some sort of "original sin" there is no difference.

The Chase basically established that all "regular" life in the galaxy was artificially created anyway. So arguably humans are bio-synths.
 
Enterprise1701 said:
I saw this post on Reddit a few days ago. For the record, I do not want this theory to come true, but after contemplating Alex Kurtzman and co.'s record, I thought it would be interesting food for thought.

Basically, this Redditor points out how PIC depicts the next stage of artificial life after the Soong-type android as organic synthetics indistinguishable from other biologicals by conventional detection. And we have this Romulan secret society, the Zhat Vash, virulently opposed to synthetic life and apparently old enough to predate the Romulan exodus from Vulcan.
What if the Romulans are the original biological inhabitants of the planet Vulcan? They created organic androids in their image, the Vulcans, who proceeded to violently drive their creators offworld. The galactic public forgot the truth behind the Time of Awakening, but some Romulans never forgot their history and maintained a commitment to robophobia to protect the the righteous biologicals.
This explains the Vulcans' signature dedication to controlling emotions for peace. And katra transfer is an organic evolution of electronic data transfer. Also, Spock thought in TOS - 'Return to Tomorrow' that spacefaring Arretians could have plausibly been involved in founding Vulcan civilisation.
The showrunners are going this direction because that is how and why the Zhat Vash need to be exposed and defeated because as Sir Patrick Stewart believes, racism is bad.

You might be finished reading and think this theory is rubbish. Well, that is what I also thought when Into Darkness and DIS presented Section 31 as a special forces unit known to some rank-and-file personnel. How does operating dedicated starships fit with DS9 presenting them as a stealth cabal reliant on secrecy?

I am afraid that this Redditor's theory is onto something with the showrunners' intentions.
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I mean, it makes absolutely no gorram sense. If that were the case, why are the Zhat Vash specifically hunting down and exterminating these two human-esque androids, without seeming to take such pains to counter the Vulcans? Why hasn't there been a millenia long effort towards genocide of the entire Vulcan species? I get that Romulans and Vulcans are on the outs, but there is no sign of a surreptitious effort to completely destroy the Vulcans.

Then again, you may be right. It is Alex Kurtzman. I have/had high hopes for this series, but his involvement had me concerned. Absolutely none of DSC makes any sense if you think about it for more than ten seconds. Trek can occasionally be like that, but DSC took it to another plane entirely. Would be a real shame if they did that with Picard as well. I suppose if that is the case, I will chalk it up to "Picard has Irumodic syndrome and this show was just his half-lucid imagination running wild".
 
Hythlodeus said:
tbf, everyone who ever used a transporter is a clone and therefore artificially created
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The way that transporters work in Star Trek, arguably no, because the transported version of you had both your original structure and original molecules. It just temporarily converted them to energy.

In real life though, if a transporter was feasible, it would basically scan your body, record all positions down to the atomic level (or lower) as data, and then reconstitute it somewhere else via something like 3D printing. As long as it was platform to platform it would actually be feasible with enough processing power.

Now, a RL transporter clone would - to all external appearances - be the same person. It's an interesting philosophical question though whether the original will have died (presumably experiencing, or not experiencing as it were, oblivion) or whether with identical structure the perceptual stream of consciousness would just shift to the new body. We have no way to determine which one would be objectively true. Though if a transporter clone genuinely continues your consciousness, it opens up some interesting possibilities for a real-life afterlife even in a materialist universe. After all, with enough time, and infinite space, another identical instance of you should be created somewhere.
 
Tallera/T'Paal was posing as a Romulan mercenary. Hence the forehead alteration.

Kor
 
Nerys Myk said:
He was one of the better elements in TFF.
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I’m not sure I would agree with that statement, although not because of Luckinbill’s performance. He was just given what he was given. No, the fundamental problem with Sybok, besides being the half-brother that nobody, not even Kirk, knew about, was that his motivations were completely unbelievable. I doubt any audience member thought he was really going to find God on that planet; therefore he was an utterly unsympathetic character.
 
Kor said:
Tallera/T'Paal was posing as a Romulan mercenary. Hence the forehead alteration.
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Well, the heroes mistook her for Romulan. We never learned if that was her intent, and whether anybody else did.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Timo said:
Well, the heroes mistook her for Romulan. We never learned if that was her intent, and whether anybody else did.

Timo Saloniemi
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Tallera/T'Paal herself says in Gambit Part II, "I infiltrated this ship a year ago posing as a Romulan mercenary."

Kor
 
Kor said:
Tallera/T'Paal herself says in Gambit Part II, "I infiltrated this ship a year ago posing as a Romulan mercenary."
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Dang, missed that one.

So as far as we can tell, there are no ridged Vulcans, only ambiguous cases with long hair or fancy hats covering the forehead. Which might be cultural and customary... You certainly wouldn't confess to being a Northerner.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Dukhat said:
I’m not sure I would agree with that statement, although not because of Luckinbill’s performance. He was just given what he was given. No, the fundamental problem with Sybok, besides being the half-brother that nobody, not even Kirk, knew about, was that his motivations were completely unbelievable. I doubt any audience member thought he was really going to find God on that planet; therefore he was an utterly unsympathetic character.
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TFF has a pretty low bar. ;)
Given Spock’s history of being close mouthed about family not mentioning a brother is hardly a problem.
 
Dukhat said:
I’m not sure I would agree with that statement, although not because of Luckinbill’s performance. He was just given what he was given. No, the fundamental problem with Sybok, besides being the half-brother that nobody, not even Kirk, knew about, was that his motivations were completely unbelievable. I doubt any audience member thought he was really going to find God on that planet; therefore he was an utterly unsympathetic character.
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Sybok was far more sympathetic than, say, Cartwright, Valeris or Captain Styles.
 
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