I just double checked. Every Romulan ex-borg in that room has a bumpy forehead.
Spoilers The Romulans and the Vulcans (spoilers for Ep2 onward).
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I just double checked. Every Romulan ex-borg in that room has a bumpy forehead.
That ancient super-secret anti-android group must be terrible at their jobs.
The ridges must be where they keep the wifi chips.
Also I guess the writers forgot about Orum.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Orum
Also I guess the writers forgot about Orum.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Orum
I mean, it's possible that it's not even all ridged Romulans, but just this group in particular who were synths. Though the framing of Soji's discussion with Hugh makes it seem like the encounter was more or less random.
We have also seen ridged Vulcans before.
I wonder if it might be possible that there was an ancient Vulcan experiment in synthetic life, producing beings capable of reproduction with other Vulcans, and that the modern Vulcan and Romulan populations each descend on some part from these. It would certainly provide some Vulcans with a reason to collaborate with the Zhat Vash, to say nothing of the Romulans.
I wonder if it might be possible that there was an ancient Vulcan experiment in synthetic life, producing beings capable of reproduction with other Vulcans, and that the modern Vulcan and Romulan populations each descend on some part from these. It would certainly provide some Vulcans with a reason to collaborate with the Zhat Vash, to say nothing of the Romulans.
Maybe the ridges play a role in this. Could be that the romulan population consists of both, natural beings and bioandroids. A reveal that not all Romulans are fleshbags might have disasterous consequences and could be the greatest fear of the Zhat Vash...
Haven't seen the new episode yet, because in Germany it will first be released at midnight, but from all this talk here it seems like i was onto something with this
I saw this post on Reddit a few days ago. For the record, I do not want this theory to come true, but after contemplating Alex Kurtzman and co.'s record, I thought it would be interesting food for thought.
Basically, this Redditor points out how PIC depicts the next stage of artificial life after the Soong-type android as organic synthetics indistinguishable from other biologicals by conventional detection. And we have this Romulan secret society, the Zhat Vash, virulently opposed to synthetic life and apparently old enough to predate the Romulan exodus from Vulcan.
What if the Romulans are the original biological inhabitants of the planet Vulcan? They created organic androids in their image, the Vulcans, who proceeded to violently drive their creators offworld. The galactic public forgot the truth behind the Time of Awakening, but some Romulans never forgot their history and maintained a commitment to robophobia to protect the the righteous biologicals.
This explains the Vulcans' signature dedication to controlling emotions for peace. And katra transfer is an organic evolution of electronic data transfer. Also, Spock thought in TOS - 'Return to Tomorrow' that spacefaring Arretians could have plausibly been involved in founding Vulcan civilisation.
The showrunners are going this direction because that is how and why the Zhat Vash need to be exposed and defeated because as Sir Patrick Stewart believes, racism is bad.
You might be finished reading and think this theory is rubbish. Well, that is what I also thought when Into Darkness and DIS presented Section 31 as a special forces unit known to some rank-and-file personnel. How does operating dedicated starships fit with DS9 presenting them as a stealth cabal reliant on secrecy?
I am afraid that this Redditor's theory is onto something with the showrunners' intentions.
Basically, this Redditor points out how PIC depicts the next stage of artificial life after the Soong-type android as organic synthetics indistinguishable from other biologicals by conventional detection. And we have this Romulan secret society, the Zhat Vash, virulently opposed to synthetic life and apparently old enough to predate the Romulan exodus from Vulcan.
What if the Romulans are the original biological inhabitants of the planet Vulcan? They created organic androids in their image, the Vulcans, who proceeded to violently drive their creators offworld. The galactic public forgot the truth behind the Time of Awakening, but some Romulans never forgot their history and maintained a commitment to robophobia to protect the the righteous biologicals.
This explains the Vulcans' signature dedication to controlling emotions for peace. And katra transfer is an organic evolution of electronic data transfer. Also, Spock thought in TOS - 'Return to Tomorrow' that spacefaring Arretians could have plausibly been involved in founding Vulcan civilisation.
The showrunners are going this direction because that is how and why the Zhat Vash need to be exposed and defeated because as Sir Patrick Stewart believes, racism is bad.
You might be finished reading and think this theory is rubbish. Well, that is what I also thought when Into Darkness and DIS presented Section 31 as a special forces unit known to some rank-and-file personnel. How does operating dedicated starships fit with DS9 presenting them as a stealth cabal reliant on secrecy?
I am afraid that this Redditor's theory is onto something with the showrunners' intentions.
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Too BSG 
It's all happened before....yadda-yadda-yadda
Still interesting, but I doubt they'd go that route.
It's all happened before....yadda-yadda-yaddaStill interesting, but I doubt they'd go that route.
Gods, I hope not. 
I've merged this with an existing thread on the same topic.
That’s probably why it’s correct. Can you imagine the shitstorm if it turned out Vulcans were androids all along? Talk about killing a franchise.
Especially since Spock was Roddenberry's showcase on the study of human behavior through the conflict between his two halves.
But then, so was Data... so... who knows...
Data was obviously an android from the start. They’ll have to explain how Spock was half human-half synth.
I hope this all isn’t true. I really do. It would taint the preceding fifty year of Vulcans in Trek and create SO many problems.
Hopefully it’s the Romulans created the Borg and it went wrong.
I have no doubt that these writers would have the gall and arrogance to completely rewrite Star Trek history with making Vulcans synths.
Same here. I hope it’s not the case. I’m pretty sure it’s been said somewhere that we’d get an explanation for the origin of the Borg so maybe the Romulans had something to do with it. We know the Borg are thousands of years old so that would work. The Romulans not messing with cybernetics would make sense in that regard. They wouldn’t want anyone to know they are responsible for the assimilation of trillions of lives.
Star Trek writers have had it out for the Vulcans since Enterprise where they were the enemy holding back humanity
That at least made sense in a way. Vulcans being synths doesn’t.