Actually no, it doesn't. The 10 years was how long his two Romulan friends were living with him, not when Romulus was destroyed, or the star blew.
The Romulan Supernova: The final, canon word
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Actually no, it doesn't. The 10 years was how long his two Romulan friends were living with him, not when Romulus was destroyed, or the star blew.
Pretty sure the old "Countdown" canon had Spock stopping the supernova at the point of origin, in the Hobus system.
As @Longinus noted, a black hole in place of the Romulan sun is preferable to a shockwave from it going supernova. It's also actually kind of fitting for the Romulans, given how much they like artificial quantum singularities.
I don't remember the lines from the JJ film as well -- was Spock's plan to totally collapse the star Hobus into a black hole, or could a controlled black hole have dissipated the shockwave after it went supernova? Or even saved the star before it went supernova (pulled in more elements)?
Such details do not exist in the film, nor is name 'Hobus' even mentioned.
There is some belief in the scientific community that comets are not, in fact, made of water-ice at all; we have landed probes on comets that turn out to be nothing but charred, rocky surfaces. They also get way too close to the sun without melting. There is a good possibility that the comet's aura is electromagnetic in nature, that the "water" is oxygen and hydrogen and not actual water, and that the comet's magnetosphere lights up as it travels through the Sun's field (and areas of different electrical charge) causing the light show when its EM interactions with the sun get volatile on close approach. Google Electric Comet.
One more reason to wonder why anybody would write a comic that is about 98% in direct contradiction with the movie it is supposed to tie into (basically the only thing they get right is two character names). Was there no coordination whatsoever between the writing teams?
Timo Saloniemi
Here's the scene:
The version in the (early?) script is very different, and ends with 2 black holes and Spock travelling back deliberately for a do-over following his failure.
How would a black hole be better? How would it not pull the orbits of the planets immediately off course and into its event horizon? Black holes are supposed to be massively powerful, are they not?
It depends how massive they are. Romulans use tiny artificial ones instead of matter-antimatter explosions to power their warp cores.
Longinus explained above how one would be better.
It’s kind of astonishing how bad both the final and written scenes are. No, supernovas do not “grow like a cancer” to destroy the galaxy. They’ve happened a lot, yet here we are. No, Spock did not refer to this as anything unusual a supernova — no FTL. No, if it were the Romulan sun he wouldn’t have had enough time to outfit a ship or get it to Romulus. It’s 8 minutes from our sun to Earth. No, he wouldn’t need to rush if it were a sun lightyears away. No, its shockwave wouldn’t look anything like that. ...and why is he rushing to contain a supernova after the system’s already been destroyed? Oh, right...space cancer...
I wonder if the comic was written from looking at the script, which didn’t specify (in the pic above) that it was Romulus’s own sun, and if in the movie, it was.
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He's known and lived with those Romulans for nearly as long as Data
If our sun collapsed into a black hole today, nothing about its gravitic pull would change. (If our moon did, almost the same thing. Except the Moon is so close to us that it actually has dimensions, its left edge pulling in a slightly different direction than its right edge, and never mind close edge vs. far edge. Those pulls would be altered when the Moon turned into a dot. The Sun is so far away that it will always be just a dot, regardless of whether it's a star or a black hole.)
After all, the mass of the black hole would be the same as the star that gave birth to it by becoming really dense... Why should the pull be altered?
However, this isn't actually relevant for the 2009 movie and its red matter -induced black holes. We know for a fact that those somehow do start to suck harder. When Vulcan collapses, it suddenly starts to pull on the hero ship even though nothing really changed, gravity-vice. The same thing when Spock ramming the red matter into the Narada turns the center of the Narada into a black hole. But that's all right, because red matter isn't real. It doesn't just collapse matter around it into a denser form. It sucks all by itself somehow, e.g. when sucking the supernova wave of destruction out of this universe. (Also, it creates holes through time. Gotta respect that sort of power!)
So no, a planet's sun going black hole on its own would not alter the orbits. But yes, a planet's sun going black hole when Spock dumps red matter into it would! That is, if red matter behaved like it did at Vulcan, and not like it did at the supernova wave, or in assorted other instances. Being unreal, it apparently can work in unintuitive and perhaps even unpredictable ways.
But as for supernovas spreading like cancer... They very well might. That is, if one went off in a neighborhood where its output (radiation, matter, whatnot) pushed suitable nearby stars over the edge, causing a chain reaction. It's by no means impossible for something like that to happen. But it is somewhat unlikely, or we wouldn't be here. Then again, who knows who else would be thinking these thoughts elsewhere if not for supernova cancer where they used to live?
Timo Saloniemi
Uh, no?
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So, basically, Spock's attempt to turn the Romulan sun into a black hole was not in order to save Romulus so much as to buy time for the rescue.
But.. The romulan sun is a typical yellow dwarf.. Which Doesn't supernova... Ever.. Only giants blow up.... And romulan would be stupid to settle on a red or blue giant..
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But, the Vulcan M'udd gave those who gather under the Raptors wings a good deal when they left Vulcan.
Citation needed.
