The romance - will it go anywhere?

[The Wormhole]

How is it controversial in this day and age?

What galaxy are you from?

At least three quarters of the world's population is still homophobic as fuck. A 200 million dollar space-opera with a gay romance would have serious trouble selling, and if you think Disney would give up a hefty portion of the profits just for social justice's sake, think again.

It's Star Wars, at this point you can do a remake of the Holiday Special that focuses on Jar Jar and the Gungans and people will flock to the theatres.

Although, it is interesting that the gay characters introduced in the novels have all been Imperials so maybe the Mouse is hesitant on the matter after all.

 

[Set Harth]

Then again, I was shocked to discover the EU never dealt with homosexuality and that the SW franchise's first ever homosexual character in any medium was in a novel released April 2015.

That's actually not true; there was a Mandalorian gay couple in the Karen Traviss books, for example.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Men can't be friendly to other men, that's gay, bro. That's how men work apparently!

Almost. Men are friends with other men because they are pushing their latent homosexuality back into a corner, and kicking it so it stays there.

What romance? I saw a friendship forged in fire but no romance yet.

Blind. Han told Fin that lies won't get him in her pants faster than lies will get the little Trooper kicked to the curb. Only truth is a certain ticket to a fist full of underwear.

If Rey is a Skywalker, I don't think she should hook up with anyone at all. Whenever someone from that bloodline procreates it usually results in a fifty fifty chance of creating either the savior of the galaxy or the destroyer of it. I know it makes for more Episodes but it's still not a very good idea.

She's a Kenobi.

 

[JoeZhang]

Seems I am not the first person to think this:

http://www.hypable.com/star-wars-poe-dameron-queer-protagonist/

 

[Mach5]

It's Star Wars, at this point you can do a remake of the Holiday Special that focuses on Jar Jar and the Gungans and people will flock to the theatres.

Again, what planet are you from? Most people will tolerate bad Star Wars (it's not like they haven't already), most people will tolerate Jar Jar's one-legged great grandmother...

But most of these people will go fucking apeshit over homosexuals. This is the world we (still) live in today. No point in sugar-coating it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

From a Christian perspective, homosexuality was another punishment on Eve for getting the two of them kicked out of Eden.

Star Wars Predates the Book of Genesis, so there can't be any Homos in Star Wars.

That's science, bitches.

 

[T'Bonz]

From a Christian perspective, homosexuality was another punishment on Eve for getting the two of them kicked out of Eden.

Huh whu? Don't remember seeing that in the book of Genesis!

 

[The Wormhole]

It's Star Wars, at this point you can do a remake of the Holiday Special that focuses on Jar Jar and the Gungans and people will flock to the theatres.

Again, what planet are you from? Most people will tolerate bad Star Wars (it's not like they haven't already), most people will tolerate Jar Jar's one-legged great grandmother...

But most of these people will go fucking apeshit over homosexuals. This is the world we (still) live in today. No point in sugar-coating it.

Homosexuality hasn't hurt Doctor Who's popularity, why would Star Wars be any different? Or are you asserting people are okay with gays on TV but not in movies?

 

[Reverend]

If Rey is a Skywalker, I don't think she should hook up with anyone at all. Whenever someone from that bloodline procreates it usually results in a fifty fifty chance of creating either the savior of the galaxy or the destroyer of it. I know it makes for more Episodes but it's still not a very good idea.

She's a Kenobi.

^I think you mean she's a Kryze. Think about that for a second. Quarter Jedi, (at least) quarter Mandalorian. No wonder she kicks arse.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Homosexuality hasn't hurt Doctor Who's popularity, why would Star Wars be any different? Or are you asserting people are okay with gays on TV but not in movies?

Global audience dude.

China is a billion dollars.

Russia maybe half that.

Admitting the truth that homosexuality is normal, is saying "No" to $1,500,000,000.

Even if Disney wasn't a whore, Disney is not an idiot.

 

[FPAlpha]

From a Christian perspective, homosexuality was another punishment on Eve for getting the two of them kicked out of Eden.

Huh whu? Don't remember seeing that in the book of Genesis!

It's Guy's annotated version i believe or it could be the long lost rumored version of the real bible which may or may not be the plot point of Indiana Jones 5.

But i do agree with Mach 5, Disney will never, in a million years, have anything even remotely resembling a homosexual relationship in one of their own franchises because it's a risk for the box office and that's all that counts.

Killing is ok, patricide is ok, mass genocide is ok (you just don't show the real repercussions, nice SFX will do just ok) but 2 guys getting intimate or, god forbid, kissing on screen is a huge no.

In the same vein i remember the animated show Korra (spin off show to Avatar - The Last Airbender) where the main heroine and one of female friends got quite close but it being aired on the Cartoon Network nothing explicit was ever going to come off it, the closest was in the show finale at the end when both set out exploring the spirit world and them holding hands and looking at each other as they were about to enter the portal.
The writers later on confirmed that they intended that to be fan service and that they indeed wrote them to be in love with each other but couldn't go all in for obvious reasons.

 

[Ithekro]

I saw someone who had a theory that she was all the above. A Kenobi and a Skywalker (the added Kryze would depend on when Obi let down his emotional guard).

In the Revenge of the Sith novel, it terms of how the children saw the war, at least on the Republic side of things, it was always "Skywalker and Kenobi". They were the big heroes of the Republic. Nearly always put together in the holonews. Wouldn't it be something if Rey was both? I don't know how anyone could justify it. Satine and Obi-wan were very close, but a Duchess of Mandalor with a secret child of a Jedi? That would be a scandal and a half just on Mandalor, not even taking unto account the Jedi Council (and Anakin's teasing). But what if it was just some woman on Tatooine? A Ewan McGregor post-Revenge of the Sith Anthology movie with a romance plot to give us a backstory on Rey's grandmother and mother (who'd be a little younger than Luke, as a reason she didn't show up in the OT)?

I don't know. Its a mess of theories we have very little clues about, and a year and a half wait until a potently answer comes...if we even get one.

 

[Guy Gardener]

1. Sexy Young Obi-wan at the height of his powers, also disobeyed Jedi law, took a wife and had children, as Internal Affairs were lurking about to make sure that every Jedi kept it in their pants, because that way (out of their pants) laid the dark side. "Laid" is another word for had sex, so that's all pretty much a no brainer. Seriously how many Sith have to spontaneous rise up from too much McLovin, that all Jedi have to see a Doctor to get their junk sniffed three times a year for signs of "use". Although the argument has been that they can ####, but they're not allowed to fall in love. It's love that sends them dark, not Eiffel Towering with a couple friends. Regardless this would make Rey the Granddaughter of a Jedi General, which is classy. Also it makes Obi-Wan's contempt for Anikan's secret tryst massively hypocritical.

2. Cranky old man Ben, alone in the desert for 20 years, no longer really a Jedi, #### his vows, had a few prostitutes on retainer. No, no, I say prostitutes, and there's nothing morally wrong with prostitution, but did you see Ben say good bye to a girlfriend before he left for Alderan? So if he had a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, then that guy is a complete ass (Unless, because it was the 70s, he had a threeway with Owen and Beru once a month?). Hell, that line about "scum and villainy" is almost certainly based on the notion that Obiwan been blacklisted from all the brothels in Mos Eisely for being into weird shit.

(Crying) sexworker "I don't understand, it's like he made an invisible thumb with, I dunno, psychic power, and he stuck it up my bum."

(Concerned) Pimp "Did he pay for that?"

(The same prostitute who is also a) prudent business woman "It's not on the receipt."

(Concerned) Pimp (now feeling rage at basically encountering a shop lifter.) "Dodgy piece of shit Jedi, you are Barred, fuck off and don't come back you old fuck!"

Given this set of variables however, Rey could out-right be the crazy old hermits's daughter if she was born shortly before the events of Star Wars: A New Hope. Crazy old hermit + low rent working girl = Less classy.

...

Bonz, you know how they say that best men are married or gay? That's a lie which allows you to sleep at night. The best men are gay. Prettier, nicer smelling, better built, cleaner, attentive, compassionate, intellectually well rounded, you know, all that crap women think is important. The best men are gay and there is an invisible, impenetrable wall between the best men and all women, that none of you can dig through or burrow under. It's an elite super class of perfect men who think vaginas are only good for collecting together stray pens and pencils building up near where the landline is screwed into the wall.

Landlines are almost extinct.

 

[RoJoHen]

I saw someone who had a theory that she was all the above. A Kenobi and a Skywalker (the added Kryze would depend on when Obi let down his emotional guard).

I can see Kenobi hooking up with someone and having a daughter, but for that someone to also be a Skywalker seems like a stretch.

 

[Ithekro]

That someone wouldn't be the Skywalker. That one would have to get with Luke for Rey to be a Skywalker, since Luke and Leia are the only two Skywalker around old enough to be Rey's parents, and Leia seems to not be that parent. So if Rey was a Skywalker, her father would need to be Luke. But to also be a Kenobi, Obi-wan would have needed to have a daughter at some point...before he died of course, which is about 15 or so years before Rey is born.

The stretch is there of course. It isn't impossible, but would require an explanation as to where the Kenobi came from and why she go on with Luke.

If Rey is Skywalker that is. She could be entirely unrelated to anyone in these stories. Though that seems like a waste in storytelling if she isn't a Skywalker with all the secrets and covering done with her character so far.

On the other hand I'm pretty sure there was slash for Anakin and Obi-wan back around 2004. Those writers could have their love grandbaby...just after a fashion (and with some functional genetics this time)

 

[RoJoHen]

That someone wouldn't be the Skywalker. That one would have to get with Luke for Rey to be a Skywalker, since Luke and Leia are the only two Skywalker around old enough to be Rey's parents, and Leia seems to not be that parent. So if Rey was a Skywalker, her father would need to be Luke. But to also be a Kenobi, Obi-wan would have needed to have a daughter at some point...before he died of course, which is about 15 or so years before Rey is born.

The stretch is there of course. It isn't impossible, but would require an explanation as to where the Kenobi came from and why she go on with Luke.

Oh, I see what you're saying. I misunderstood the first time.

 

[Mach5]

Homosexuality hasn't hurt Doctor Who's popularity, why would Star Wars be any different? Or are you asserting people are okay with gays on TV but not in movies?

Global audience dude.

China is a billion dollars.

Russia maybe half that.

Admitting the truth that homosexuality is normal, is saying "No" to $1,500,000,000.

Even if Disney wasn't a whore, Disney is not an idiot.

Plus, comparing the mainstream significance of Star Wars to that of Doctor Who's is beyond ridiculous. Half the globe hasn't even heard of the latter.

Oh, and a propos Russia, they literally have a federal law prohibiting 'LGBT 'propaganda' which would pretty much render any movie featuring a same sex romance unsuitable for minors.

 

[Guy Gardener]

On the other hand I'm pretty sure there was slash for Anakin and Obi-wan back around 2004. Those writers could have their love grandbaby...just after a fashion (and with some functional genetics this time)

Yes. I'm sure that 2004 is when that flavour of slash started and abruptly stopped.

Shmi spent how long ####ing Owen's dad?

Cliegg Larrs.

"Hey! Look there's a 50 year old slave more valuable to "its" owner than a sweet Star Ship, so I think I'll buy her, and free her and marry her, because once she's free, she'll still want to be with me, even though she has to do everything I say right up to the point that I free her, because I know that she loves me as much as I love her her."

(Anyone thinking of Ex Machina a little? Or that it's ironic that someone in a wheelchair would marry a woman called Skywalker?)

What exactly did Shmi do for Watto, that random dudes are handing out thousands and thousands of credits to run away with her to temple and tie the knot?

Yup.

More Tatooinian prostitutes.

"No pod is worth two slaves!"

Yeah, light dusting, and cooking a few meals. Sure.

If Cleigg and Shmi were doing it for years before he'd stowed away enough dough to emancipate the little lady, it's possible there could have been a John Snow situation going on that his first wife might have raised Shmi and Cliegg's kid?

(Owen was probably not a Skywalker.)

"Honey if you keep spending all your cash to bang me, you'll never have enough enough cabbage to buy me off that flying rat, and you know that's what I really want, I really want to be with you. Just you."

There was over ten years between Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Shmi could have had another kid in the interim, and the actress (Pernilla August. Oh look, she did an episode of Clone wars in 2011 as Shmi. Good for her!) was 41 in Phantom Menace so if Shmi was about the same, she could have easily had more children before Anikan, that she never talked about.

Luke might have a blood related Uncle there without included made up crap not supported by canon, who is leaving baby mommas all over the galaxy.

 

[Set Harth]

Pernilla August. Oh look, she did an episode of Clone wars in 2011 as Shmi.

Technically as the Son impersonating Shmi, I think.

 

[TheGodBen]

If Rey is a Skywalker, I don't think she should hook up with anyone at all. Whenever someone from that bloodline procreates it usually results in a fifty fifty chance of creating either the savior of the galaxy or the destroyer of it. I know it makes for more Episodes but it's still not a very good idea.

You're forgetting that the midi-chlorians could knock her up at any moment, abstinence isn't a guaranteed way of preventing pregnancies in the Skywalker clan. So she may as well screw as many guys as she wants.

Besides, if Kylo is as reckless with his pecker as he is with his lightsaber, there's going to be a whole lot people out there with some Skywalker in them.