The resolution in Death Wish

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.. but in fact says nothing about 'god', but simply points out that there are logical problems with our human comprehension of a concept like 'almightiness' .

To pick up on something you just edited.. I agree. Who says mortals have the ability to define God?

 

[Refuge]

It would have been interesting to follow up on this episode. You have this episode where it's argued that it's ok for a "god" to kill himself because he's bored. Maybe have Q pop into season 5's "Night" with a noose and a bottle of sleeping tablets to encourage Janeway to cure her case of the sads.Clearly, she has that right no matter the impact on her crew, right?

Since the Q are all knowing, didn't they know how this story was going to end? Were they just playing out this little drama for the benefit of the Voyager crew?

Wouldn't the most logical conclusion to be for the Q to strip him of his omniscience? Still alive, but without the boredom of knowing everything before it happens.

Q should have asked Tuvok if Voyager had ever taken any lives. If so, why is not contradictory for people who say life is precious to keep killing countless aliens to save their own skins? It's because "some lives are more precious than others." Suicide is against the law because life is precious. Murderers are executed to prevent them from killing again and to act as a deterrent for anyone else who might want to take a life. That's a legitimate POV. Whether you agree with it or not, it's at least debatable and the discussion would make for an interesting episode. But Q just kinda shrugs his shoulders because the writers message is anti death penalty and pro assisted suicide.

Trek has always sucked at "message" shows with a few exceptions.

I think that was the whole idea of the trial to give 'over it' Q asylum and mortality. Not so sure it was what Janeway wanted when our Q aided his actual suicide. I mean 'over it' Q was going to be a nuisance but I think Voyager was ready to take him on. Was rather convenient to be rid of him though.

I think the follow up is the Q and the Grey. We have our Q being this rebel Q again and creating a civil war within the continuum. I mean Qs fighting Qs. Qs losing their power and Qs being over come by humans..

These guys are not Gods.

However bringing a life into the Q continuum when the two Qs decide to mate. I guess that balances the books for the suicide of the other Q.

 

[marlboro]

These guys are not Gods.

 

[Prax]

That's hilarious. Either my phone's screen is too dark, or the pic is, so I squinted and

Did Death Wish go one step too far? So suicidal Q is bored and wants to die. Being bored is such a good reason to die, I mean yeah like, why wouldn't you? Boredom is just golly, gee, whiz... intolerable.

When Janeway granted whiney Q the right for asylum, shouldn't that have been enough? Being exiled in claustrophic internment was cruel, but why couldn't he have died a mortal death? Let nature take it course. Having the other Q give him poison... were we supposed to interpret that as being noble?

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Quinn fancies himself as Socrates. While Socrates was forced to drink Hemlock as a form of execution, he supposedly embraced it, and thought himself a martyr. Quinn sees himself as a martyr(or hopeful martyr) and wants to create change through death.

We humans could never truly comprehend immortality, and therefore cannot understand the "boredom" of an immortal being, but it could be truly awful. It's just beyond our mental capacity, much like the Prophets existing outside of time.

 

[marlboro]

One thing I think was a mistake about the way the Q were presented is that they rarely seemed...wise. For the most part they came across as humans who had gained amazing abilities and spent eternity goofing off. Not that I didn't like that, but having them be occasionally sagacious would have been a welcome change.

 

[MacLeod]

Since the Q are all knowing, didn't they know how this story was going to end? Were they just playing out this little drama for the benefit of the Voyager crew?

I get the feeling the Q aren't as all knowing as they say they are.

 

[Greg Cox]

Depends on what idea of god your referring to.

The Judeo-Christian-Islamic God is certainly, the Norse gods-aren't, the Greek gods well they can be imprisoned at least, in Buddhism gods go through suffering and reincarnation so not eternal, and I couldn't tell you enough about other world beliefs without being sure I was mistaken.

Well, if STAR TREK is to be believed, Apollo just kinda dissolved into the ether.

 

[Voth commando1]

I get the feeling the Q aren't as all knowing as they say they are.

I always got the impression watching all Q episodes that the Q aren't omniscient-hey don't know everything that can or might happen hence they can be surprised.

They do however know all set facts-every Galaxy, species, and little nebula is within their minds grasp.

 

[Refuge]

That's hilarious. Either my phone's screen is too dark, or the pic is, so I squinted and

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Quinn fancies himself as Socrates. While Socrates was forced to drink Hemlock as a form of execution, he supposedly embraced it, and thought himself a martyr. Quinn sees himself as a martyr(or hopeful martyr) and wants to create change through death.

We humans could never truly comprehend immortality, and therefore cannot understand the "boredom" of an immortal being, but it could be truly awful. It's just beyond our mental capacity, much like the Prophets existing outside of time.

I just wonder how a Q would comprehend death. I guess as an end, whereas religious cultures who believe in an afterlife see eternity or being reborn as salvation. A Q thinks an end is salvation? Why, because it's the only thing they couldn't play with? What would happen to the mighty Q if they find themselves at the Pearly Gates? That would be funny. Q meeting up with God and being granted eternity in the afterlife..

 

[marlboro]

Q meeting up with God and being granted eternity in the afterlife..

It would have been hilarious if there was an epilogue to this episode with Gerrit Graham arriving in Heaven and it's just like the Q Continue.

 

[Trekkin]

It would have been hilarious if there was an epilogue to this episode with Gerrit Graham arriving in Heaven and it's just like the Q Continue.

But we've seen Star Trek heaven. He'd arrive on a crappy planet in the centre of the universe, just in time for Spock and some Klingons to drop a torpedo on his head.

If he was in the EU heaven, he might have the company of Q's immortal frenemy.

 

[at Quark's]

I always got the impression watching all Q episodes that the Q aren't omniscient-hey don't know everything that can or might happen hence they can be surprised.

They do however know all set facts-every Galaxy, species, and little nebula is within their minds grasp.

I'm also inclined to go with the Quinn statement against Tuvok from the very episode that is the topic of this thread:

QUINN: But you mustn't think of us as omnipotent, no matter what the Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to lifeforms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not.

I suppose the same would hold for their 'omniscience'.

And yeah, the Q strike me more as a bunch of showy upstarts, than as a truly ancient civilization. Comparable to the difference between some persons who suddenly got rich and still haven't come entirely to terms with all that money they've suddenly got, and persons who come from families that have been wealthy for many generations. (No generalisation intended here, just attempting to convey the idea).

I always figure they got 'omnipotent' (or whatever) about 10.000 years ago (or somewhat longer) in an original timeline (as per Quinn 'new era' statement), and then always were there from the beginning of time according to other Q statements) - time travel is one of their powers.