YES! We had Harlan's express permission and blessing to use the GOF.
Anyways, I would worry more about how Vger and Whale probe were handled before i would even think about Edith Keeler. If i worryed about such things..
The Problem of Edith Keeler
- Thread starter section9
- Start date
YES! We had Harlan's express permission and blessing to use the GOF.
Anyways, I would worry more about how Vger and Whale probe were handled before i would even think about Edith Keeler. If i worryed about such things..
Dr_Daystrom
Commander
Paramount owns the rights to "The City on the Edge of Forever," which would include the Guardian of Forever. Asking Ellisons permission is an act of respect, but not legally necessary. It reminds me of the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribbilations." When William Shatner got wind of old TOS footage being used he said, "No one asked my permission." Then, in no uncertain terms, Paramount made it clear that all the rights belonged to them and they would use his image in whatever way they wanted to.
Well there is ongoing controversy about that subject that i won't get into here but where Harlan is concerned we are covered.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr_Daystrom
Commander
What controversy? About Shatner and his rights? Do tell.
Last edited by a moderator:
This is a complete non-issue. Edith died before Kirk or McCoy intervened.
There is no controversy about Shatner and his rights; that's a non-issue.
What was in question here (and what was the subject of a lawsuit last year) were the rights retained (under the standard WGA contract current at the time Ellison wrote "CotEoF") by writers to characters they had created. That's why Ellison has maintained that it's more than a mere courtesy request, but I do not know whether the court case has yet been concluded, and if so, what the final ruling was.
Exactly.
Best quote on the new movie I have read so far!
Oh boy! You are gonna be in soooo much trouble with the canon Nazis.
Since childhood, Star Trek has 'boldly gone where no man/one has gone before'. I also want Star Trek to boldly take me where Star Trek hasn't gone before.
Hey, it's my Grandma. How'd you get her picture?
Paramount did, however, pay the actors for the use of their scenes in that episode. In fact, one of the conditions that Shatner and Nimoy insisted on was that Koenig, Nichols, and Doohan (and I guess Kelly's estate) got paid the same as they did; Walter Koenig remarked that he made more from that one DS9 episode than he did during his entire time on TOS.
As has been pointed out, if McCoy doesn't go back in time, Edith still dies, so everything is okay.
The real question is this.
If someone digs up San Francisco, they will find Data's head which has been buried there since the 1890's. Where did it come from in the "new" timeline?
The real question is this.
If someone digs up San Francisco, they will find Data's head which has been buried there since the 1890's. Where did it come from in the "new" timeline?
No Data's head, because in this timeline, there's no TNG.
They wanted a reboot, they've got one. Now they've gotta build their own toys to play with.
They wanted a reboot, they've got one. Now they've gotta build their own toys to play with.
As has been pointed out, if McCoy doesn't go back in time, Edith still dies, so everything is okay.
The real question is this.
If someone digs up San Francisco, they will find Data's head which has been buried there since the 1890's. Where did it come from in the "new" timeline?
I want to know what happened to Borg Earth from First Contact. Does that continue in another part of the multiverse? Maybe it could inspire some Terminator-style novels.
Well, there was still Arik Soong... so it seems that there might be a Data... there might be a TNG... there might be Data's head... and there might be Spock's brain. Who knows?
The possibilities are endless in this new parallel universe.
Star Trek: Borginator? Sounds way, way cool! However, these stories would probably have to be set in the past and would never get a happy end, since Data remarked after doing his scan, '... all Borg.'
Does it continue to exist? Schödinger's cat also continued/did not continue to exist... Borg Earth probably continued to be TNG's timeline, while the U.S.S. Enterprise-E returned into the alternate timeline it had created by its temporal incursion.
As far as I see it, there probably was never true time travel as such in Star Trek, but merely jumping between existing and creating new alternate timelines (just imagine, how would you calculate the era you wanted to end up in when doing a slingshot around the sun? Is Star Trek's time travel actually nothing more than a hit-and-miss affair (with the exception of the Guardian of Forever, perhaps)?).
This would probably also explain discrepancies like Zephram Cochrane's looks in TOS and FC (perhaps they were two different persons from two different quantum realities?) or the different chronologies of World War III and the Eugenics Wars...
