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The Problem of Edith Keeler

You, however, I'll ask: Source (reliable) for that assertion, please?

Simple observation, both of what Paramount SAID, and what it DID vis a vis the existing Trek organization. Paramount took the position (backed by numbers) that the existing franchise was no longer "a going concern".

The Trek "office" (in existence since the early 80s) was closed, the "brain trust" vis a vis Trek was let go, and the entire inventory of production materials was either sold or destroyed.

Rodenberrian trek is as dead as a Monty Python parrot.
You'll admit, however, that it would be entirely possible to draw other, equally reasonable, conclusions from the details you have given here?


You don't know that, and the age range of the actors involved in this movie, while admittedly not an exact match, is a lot closer to that of the actors in the Original Series than to being "of similar age".

See here (ages of the current cast are as of today; ages of the TOS cast are as of September 1966; this was done in a hurry and may contain errors, but any age will at most be off by only one year -- you're welcome to verify them yourself):
Only Yelchin is not a very close match to the age range, but since Koenig was playing a lot younger, I don't see the problem.


Where does it say that? Probably just not covered in the story this movie is telling.


So what? Not in this story.


So?


So?

Sorry, there is AMPLE evidence that this is a severely altered timeline. There's just no way around it. The very PREMISE of the movie demonstrates it.
None of that is evidence (ample or otherwise) of anything at all except that those people, ships, events don't figure directly in this story. For all we know, they could still be there, doing the same things we know from TOS that they do, but we'll simply be looking somewhere else while they do it. No big deal.

Why not defend the movie on it's OWN merits, rather than engaging in a futile attempt to hammer it into a non-conforming hole in the "old" Trek univers?
I haven't seen the movie yet. I'm not making claims that the movie causes such-and-such to no longer exist, or to continue to exist, because I haven't seen it yet. As to how well it fits into the old Trek universe -- or whether it fits at all -- well, we don't really know that, do we? It remains to be seen. And that's what I intend to do: I'll see it, and then -- and only then -- will I be in a position to decide what I think about the movie.

All of the noise from people like the good Captain about "this just proves that _______ don't know what _______ they're doing" or "this movie overwrites the existing canon and erases everything we knew about Trek" is just that: empty noise, based upon nothing of substance, and intended primarily to annoy. If you really want to prove something, then you go right ahead and do so, but don't wave a handful of details around and expect me to believe that they prove anything; you'll need to work a little harder than that.



one thing to keep in mind about garrovick, mitchell ect not being in the movie.

is that in tos they are just in their epsidodes for the most part.
as important as those events are and as important as the friendship with mitchell probably was they dont get mentioned again.
not even in episodes were it might make sense if they were.


as for..

Comparative Cast Ages

Pine - 28, Shatner - 34

Quinto - 31, Nimoy - 35

Urban - 37, Kelley - 46

Pegg - 38, Doohan - 44

Saldana - 30, Nichols - 33

Yelchin - 20, Koenig - 30

this i am impressed by.
it has often been assumed that spock was a little older then kirk.
bones older then both.
with chekov being the youngest.
for all we know chekov was an emergency replacement at navigation.
 
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